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Have you given the consequences any thought?

The parents of a child with downs, takes a few day for a needed trip. They need 24 hour care for their child. How much is it going to cost with overtime? How much should it cost? Who is eligible? How do the parents set up payroll? What if they don't pay minimum wage, what should the government do to them? What if my wife and I want to volunteer for a weekend. is there a waiver? What if we've done this in the past, can we sue for back wages?

yes, we have already screwed up health insurance, let do more damage! Way to go Obama!

 

Ace...I know you believe a federal minimum wage is destructive to the economy. But once again, objective data does not support your position.

In the case of home care workers, nearly half the states already cover these workers and there is no evidence of your adverse impact on families in need of such services.

And yes, there are waivers and details on determining who might be covered.

 

What data? there will be people who will not be able to afford to pay minimum wage. Rich people won't have this problem. Medicare and Medicaid both have restrictions on this type of care and there are needs outside of the scope. All I ask, is have you given this some thought. I fear you and many others have not.

 

Pot meet Kettle

 

Is this some kind of racist comment?

 

Given you comment in another thread about SNAP - do you believe their is a "gray" market for home healthcare workers? Have any polls or surveys? How many accept payment under the table to avoid taxes, any surveys? If a person hires an aid worker through an agency what is the cost compared to what the worker would actually get - is the ratio greater or less than 50% (i.e. payment to agency $20/hour, actual worker gets $X.XX/hour). At time and half after X hours will an agency avoid hitting that mark, what happens to the supply of available hours for services? I assume some think that if we pay more, more people will want to do it and that will mean people will get better care, is that how it goes? isn't that one of the problems with Obamacare and why so many are now faced with part-time rather than full-time work?

 

Ace....where is the data showing a "gray" market in those 20+ states that currently have a state minimum wage and/or overtime requirements?

If i were to hire a home health aid to care for a loved one, I would certainly go through an agency where those aids are vetted for qualifications and previous experience and not through the "gray" market.

You may chose to hire from that "gray market" market in which case, good luck with verifying their background/qualifications/experience. Or perhaps you would chose the cheapest option and go for a family member/friend or the neighborhood babysitter type. In both cases, you will get off cheap...if cost is your greatest concern as opposed to leaving a loved one in the most capable hands.

Those most capable, experienced aids should be compensated more than a babysitter.

 

On family game nights I bet you were the king of Family Feud. And the...

Not everyone is situated the way you are. And even wealthy people may engage in the gray market and pay a person cash.

I don't know what more to say about how things work - and I am not saying these people are immoral or in some cases even know they may be doing something contrary to rules and regulations. My preference is always to encourage activity to be above the table rather than below it.

 

Ace...you complained about exemptions, and I pointed out exemptions.

You complain that it will hurt consumers and lead to a gray market for workers, but there is no evidence of that in the states with existing minimum wage/overtime requirements. I would suggest that from the workers' perspective, a higher paying job, greater job security working through an agency as opposed to as an independent contractor, and additional benefits are all incentives not to work through a gray market.

I can only conclude that you evidently dont see anything wrong with paying a professional health care worker no more than a babysitter.

 

Is that some kind of racist statement?

 

Dude, let's say you pay your agency $20/hr - the actual worker let's say gets $10 (before taxes). One day, after some time of trusted service, the two of you come up with the brillient idea of - paying the worker direct. So, you pay the worker $15 - leaving out the agency. You save $5 and the worker gets a $5 raise! Oh, but you don't have a payroll service - so you write a personal check to the worker. You don't pay taxes, work comp, unemployment taxes etc. and the employee does not get a W2 or a 1099 and doesn't report the income. How many laws, rules and regulations have been violated by ordinarily honest people?

And you want to make the system more complex with wage and hour laws that generally only experts understand - but you say these minimum wage laws would only apply to agency employers - yes go ahead and raise their costs - who is going to pick up those costs, what happens to the labor market for these workers, what happens to the supply of these workers, what happens to people who pay out of pocket rather than through Medicare/Medicaid/insurance?????

 

Ace...I would characterize it as providing greater job security for professional health care workers (greater frequency of being hired and higher wages through a reputable agency) vs lower frequency of being hired at lower rate.

But again, if you want to hire a family member or neighborhood teen age babysitter, you can do that and pay the lower rate.

 

Purely satirical.

You may need to understand the history with DC and I. In the past he has held the position that to be a conservative is to be a bigot. The reason that conservatives are against against Obama is because of a personal dislike of the man. Some liberals openly say it is racism (not necessarily DC, I have not read a statement on this point directly on way or the other from him - only that he has not disavowed these statements to my knowledge). I obviously disagree.

 

I have never suggested anything to that effect, so stop with the bullshit flaming, Ace.

I have called out individual members of Congress and conservative commentators for specific bigoted words or actions.

 

Again, what about the unintended consequences. People did not anticipate the impact of Obamacare, just like in this situation. This stuff does not happen in a vacuum. People respond to changes. My question stands, have you and others thought this through?

Why insult people who provide this service. It is more than babysitting. It is the nature of the work that is not conducive to standard overtime rules and regulations. "Oh, time for lunch - screw what the client needs because if I don't take this lunch right now my employer will be in violation of FLSA rules and regs and will get fined and I will lose my job".

 

Ace....what unintended consequences?

Show me the unintended consequences in the states where minimum wage/overtime requirements exist.

Or perhaps those unintended consequences are simply ideological talking points that you cant support.

 

I recall very specific exchanges on this subject.

Right, to be against a bill you support has on many occasions meant conservatives are bigots, even if they have substantiated well thought-out reasons and alternatives.

On many occasion you connect the bigoted statements of a few to all conservatives - you have done this many times.
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Right.

 

Ace...all my posts are here. Feel free to search and find those specific examples.

 

Or you can say what you think in present tense. People aligned with the Tea Part are...?

 

I got that with the smiley face you added. Guess I should have included one myself.