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Taking care of business

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by warrrreagl, Aug 29, 2013.

  1. warrrreagl

    warrrreagl Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    Land of cotton.
    I just had a confrontation with a student that used to be rare, but has now become common.

    Their first test in Music Appreciation is today at 2:00PM, and as I type this, it is now less than 2 hours before the test begins. A student came in a few minutes ago with a dilemma. She was absent the previous class meeting due to that most popular of all student excuses, the obligatory "family emergency." I wish you could all hear the desperate, yet tragic tones dripping from their voices when they whisper this magical phrase. In their minds, they believe this is the ultimate universal pass to anything and everything.

    After delivering her solemn and sacred excuse, she asked if I could print out for her the notes of the material I covered the day she was absent so she could study (cram) for the upcoming test. I said, "No," because I told the class on the very first day that I don't provide notes to students in any way other than through the class lecture. After letting that disappointment and disbelief set in, she countered with, "Well, can you e-mail them to me?"

    In her little pea-brain, she actually thought the whole problem with my reluctance to help her revolved around some kind of printer malfunction. She simply couldn't imagine any instructor that wouldn't backflip to provide her an exclusive, private set of instructor's notes.

    I repeated, "No, I told the class on the first day that I don't e-mail grades or class notes to anyone for any reason. Besides, the notes are based on the chapters in the textbook, so read the book and you'll be in good shape."

    And now here comes the REAL kicker. She defiantly replied with, "I don't have the textbook."

    She spoke that declaration to me as if it were a knockout body-blow. The inflection in her voice kind of hung there at the end of the sentence, as if the next thing to follow would have been, "...so, you take it from here." She honestly couldn't imagine a world where NOT getting the textbook wouldn't be an advantage.

    I said, "Well, there's the solution to your problem right there. Go get a book. You won't be successful in the class without one." For awhile, she just stared at me, as if she were expecting me to crack up and say, "JUST KIDDING!!!" When she began to realize that I was serious about not helping her, I could see her rage climbing up her neck into her face, because it left a red wave of high blood pressure all along its way.

    But in the end, all she could manage to say in reply was, "Well, thanks a lot!!" and stomp away. Again, ten years ago, this happened MAYBE once a semester. Now, it happens perhaps dozens of times each semester. The details are different, but the results are the same. These poor children come to me from a world where not taking care of your responsibilities is considered a magical free pass.

    For her, and the growing number of others like her, I fear she has a long, hard road ahead.
     
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  2. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I think the problem stems from younger generations of students who haven't experienced the fear of failure. I remember my college and university days. I remember anxiously weeding through the crowds to get my texts in fear of something being sold out and not being able to keep up in class.

    As a lifelong slacker, I know what it's like to flirt with failure. It's what kept me above D for the most part, which I considered "D" for danger. For as poorly as I applied myself, the last thing I wanted to do was fail just so I had to do classes over again. I failed grade 12 math three times, until I just gave up and took general math (a focus on trigonometry instead of more difficult calculus and algebra). When I got to college, I made damn sure I did well in business math and accounting. I had a lot on the line by then.

    Too many of today's post-secondary students don't have that same sense of dread that drives them to do well. For whatever reason, they expect to casually go through the motions and expect to get the grades, diplomas, and degrees that they (or their parents) are paying for.

    I'd hate to see the shock and utter disappointment these people face when they get out into the real world and find themselves being fired for incompetence or insubordination. I imagine the worst of them simply blame others as they've done since they were in school.

    I really don't know what the solution for this kind of thing is other than changing practices in the school system wholesale.
     
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  3. amonkie

    amonkie Very Tilted

    Location:
    Windy City
    It starts early.

    I was teaching an economics module for a charter school 10 years ago.

    One of the quizzes I gave was a vocab exam of 15 economic terms. It was not difficult by any stretch of imagination - I took the definitions, word for word from their handout. All they had to do was draw line from the word to the correct definition.

    They knew from the beginning they would be tested on this material, and we had exercises to actually teach the word meanings, etc.

    When it came time to test time, only 1 student in the entire class actually received a passing score (70% or better) on the quiz.

    The principal was furious. This wasn't a test to trip anyone up. It was a pure lack on the students part to take the time to actually study them as they were required to do.

    From that point on, the students had to forfeit their recesses and lunch breaks in a study hall in my room every day until they passed the test.

    Suddenly, everyone woke up. It took some longer than others, but now all of the sudden within 2 days I had everyone passing that exam.
     
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  4. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I think that's what it comes down to: an understanding of consequences and that they're very real.

    I think some of this has to do with recent technologies as well. We've become used to getting what we want when we want it. Going out to get a textbook and actually having to read it is a chore. (Much like actually showing up for class...in person!) It's much easier to get an email of the material summarized, right?
     
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  5. warrrreagl

    warrrreagl Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    Land of cotton.
    I get that, too. There's a reason I announce to the class on the first day that I don't e-mail notes to anyone - it's because they ask for me to do it so doggone much. But the really funny part comes when I deny their requests by adding, "But the notes come from the book. YOU ALREADY HAVE THE NOTES. They're in the book!"

    When I say that, they look at me as if to say, "Are you out of your fucking mind?!?! I'm not opening a book."
     
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  6. Working with College students, I've noticed that if I don't tell them step by step how to do something, then it doesn't get done correctly if at all. It's fun.
     
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  7. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    As a book editor in the literary publishing industry, this sentiment breaks my weary heart every goddamn time.
     
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  8. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    One question, warrrreagl: is your textbook expensive? I only buy my textbooks if I have to, as in they're not available at the university library or through ILL. Textbooks have gotten fucking ridiculous in the last couple years. My USED text for my Special Populations class was almost $100. Pearson wants $150 for it new.

    But yeah, I think we're moving towards more of a service model in the university setting, unfortunately. Rising tuition kind of helps that process along. The student develops an attitude of, "Well, I'm paying x dollars for this credit!" I pay $345 a credit, but I only really get like that if a professor isn't willing to be professional or do their fucking job (not suggesting you aren't doing your job, warrrreagl). I had a professor this last term who was really unwilling to accommodate people, even with sufficient advanced notice, or gave them crap even though they had given him notice six months ago that they were going to be in his class and going to have to miss a session due to a wedding. It all turned out to be nothing in the end, but his behavior (not responding to emails, for example) really got people irritated, as we're a small cohort (15 people).

    I'd also be interested to know if these kinds of kids are the ones with indulgent parents. I haven't had to deal with much of that, fortunately. My students are usually pretty good about doing the shit they need to do, but with the grades I'm dealing with, part of my bag is getting them to love me so much that they just do what I want. I also want to send them off to people like you with the expectation that they need to take care of their shit.
     
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  9. warrrreagl

    warrrreagl Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    Land of cotton.
    Z-Squirrel, you're a genius. You just gave me a great idea.

    All of my class lectures are PowerPoint-based. I show the slides, play videos, play music, play instruments, etc. THOSE are the notes they want - the ones that go with the slides. However, I never print them up even for myself, because I already know everything I'm going to say anyway. I don't need the notes.

    Therefore, I'm going to create a set of outline notes that NOBODY can follow, and willingly e-mail them to anybody that asks. For example, I can already picture my notes for early 19th century music.

    Zeitgeist - Beethoven - deaf - Schroeder - flooded grave - Schubert - Austrian Secret Police - Schumann (Robert) - bi-polar - Schumann (Clara) - Brahms - Chopin - TB - George Sand - Barry Manilow - Liszt - Gypsy - Maestro - Berlioz - Harriet Smithson - Tchaikovsky - Nutcracker - Natalie Portman - gay - Mendelssohn - Jewish.

    What do you think? If someone sat through several lectures with that list in their hands, they would eventually see and hear everything, but there's no way in hell they could ever use those notes for anything practical if they weren't there.
     
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  10. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    That's what many of my professors do when they say they're going to put the notes on Blackboard or Moodle.