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Sochi 2014 and the Homosexual Propaganda Law

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by snowy, Aug 7, 2013.

  1. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    There's some controversy regarding Russia's homosexual propaganda law and whether or not it will be enforced against international athletes during the Winter Olympics at Sochi in 2014. The Russian Sports Minister, Vitaly Mutko, said: "An athlete of nontraditional sexual orientation isn't banned from coming to Sochi, But if he goes out into the streets and starts to propagandize, then of course he will be held accountable" (Russia to enforce anti-gay rights law during Sochi 2014 Olympics: sports minister (with video)).

    For those of you unfamiliar with the homosexual propaganda law: 'Homosexual propaganda' law signals latest Russian crackdown - World News
    It's created a dangerous environment for LGBT people across Russia: Why Masha Gessen is leaving Russia | Q with Jian Ghomeshi | CBC Radio

    Now, because it is unclear as to whether or not athletes will be safe during competion, prominent activists are calling for the Sochi Winter Olympics to be moved or boycotted, or have expressed deep concerns about our athletes going to Sochi:
    BBC News - Stephen Fry calls for Olympics ban over Russia's anti-gay laws
    It's Time to Move the Olympics - Allegiance
    With Sochi Games Only Six Months Away, President Obama Condemns Russia’s Heinous Anti-LGBT Law | Human Rights Campaign
    This piece from a CBS sports blog encapsulates some of the difficulties faced with trying to decide what to do about Sochi: Boycotting Sochi may not be best, but it must be considered ... right? - CBSSports

    One reason I placed this thread in General Discussion is because I don't see this as a political issue. For me, this is about basic human rights. Our athletes should have a guarantee and expectation of safety when part of an Olympic delegation, as one of the main goals of the Olympic Movement is to promote peace. Furthermore, the Olympic Charter states, in the Fundamental Principles of Olympism:
    "The practice of sport is a human right. Every individual must have the possibility of
    practising sport, without discrimination of any kind and in the Olympic spirit, which
    requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play."

    I've bolded the obviously relevant text.

    How do you feel about the debate around Sochi? Do you think there is any good outcome here? How can we guarantee that LGBT athletes, such as Johnny Weir, are safe during competition?
     
  2. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    I would be shocked if any athletes are targeted for criminal arrest or prosecution for sexual orientation during the time of the Games. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it would surprise me.

    That being said, what Russia is doing as far as human rights in this context and many others is atrocious. They are steadily working to revoke many of the social and religious freedoms won after the fall of the USSR. It is under reported IMO, and maybe actions like this surrounding the Games will bring it to light. Sadly, I don't see it changing things much though.
     
  3. Misguided

    Misguided Vertical

    Location:
    Hyborian age
    I'm hoping that the fans will vote with their pockets and not attend the event. (wishful thinking, I know) Hit the in their wallets.
     
  4. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    A lot has changed since the 1936 games.

    Given the current global political climate regarding social justice, and the role that powerful social media plays in organizing it, I can only assume that if these games go on as planned, there will be mobilized political movements in response. The bravest among those involved will go to the games with the express purpose of flaunting the fact that they're gay and/or support gay rights.

    Probably the best-case scenario (pron. sen-ARR-EE-oh if you're an asshole) is a bunch of people will get arrested, verbally abused, and roughed up a little bit. I don't want to imagine the worst case. I'm not sure. I don't know how far Russia will go to keep their games "clean of homosexual propaganda."

    And let's not forget that this isn't just the government: Gay teenager kidnapped and tortured by Russian homophobes claimed to have died from injuries - PinkNews.co.uk
     
  5. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Putin is unpredictable but I dont think LGBT athletes have any thing to fear, at least from the Russian government. But given his low tolerance for any form of human rights protest (see Pussy Riot), you never know. LGBT advocates should probably go into any public protest with the expectation of a high risk of arrest or at the very least, immediate deportation.

    The best scenario would be some brave athletes marching in the opening ceremony flashing "I'm gay and I'm proud" shirts under their official uniforms. In which case, they would probably be removed from the competition by their own Olympic governing body. Maybe at the closing ceremonies.

    I recall that the Tommy Smith and John Carlos black power salute on the medal stand at the 68 games in Mexico City was not well received in the US. I know that was a lifetime ago, but my sense is that most Americans dont like mixing politics with the Olympics.
     
  6. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    I could see it happening at the closing ceremonies, and I don't think Russia would do much about it.

    But, I hope that the GLBT people don't use their typical tactics of creating controversy to protest it during the games. And I hope the media keeps quiet about it until after the competitions too.

    We can't boycott a second Olympics in Russia.
     
  7. Propagandize? I can't recall hearing that this has happened or was an issue in the past. Seems like Russia is 'inviting' this to occur.

    What a bunch of dicks.
     
  8. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    My sincere hope is that there is at the very least boycott by like-minded nations. At the very best, I would like to see the Olympics stripped from Russia and done elsewhere.

    The IOC will claim they are apolitical, that their intent is to be blah, blah, blah. The Olympics are apolitical until it requires taxpayer money to build a new stadium or athlete's village.

    Russia can have it's laws, as horrible as they are, but they should recognize that those choices are not shared by many in the International community of nations and there are consequences to their choices.
     
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  9. I liked Stephen Frys views on the topic
     
  10. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    From the World Track and Field Championships in Moscow: US athlete Nick Symmonds speaks out against Russia's anti-gay law in Moscow | World news | The Guardian


    And if you're interested in passing on your best wishes to Nick Symmonds, go here: Somebody give this man a high five! - Human Rights Campaign
     
  11. Daniel_

    Daniel_ The devil made me do it...

    Let's not forget, that an almost identical law was on British statutes in the last few years, and homophobic beatings are common here and in the US.

    Before we get all high horse about how enlightened we are, lets remember we're only really a couple of strides out the cave.
     
  12. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    How about I just want to watch the athletes engage in athletics and not use their fifteen minutes to proselytize anything. You're athletes. I don't want to hear about how you think god likes your team better or democracy creates better athletes or how french gays have larger genitals. Put on your uniform, play your heart out, and shut up. Their laws stink. So what. You're there to play. Not create controversy.
     
  13. zoolady

    zoolady New Member

    As someone who traveled in Russia for awhile...might I suggest this? Putin is courting the CHURCH because it's been lurking in the shadows, waiting to regain the status it once had a hundred years ago. Old people have been exhilliarated to see the ''freedom'' Putin's given to religious practices and they see him favorably.
    The church is homophobic (not to mention misogynistic) and is dangling Putin on a string. He gets power and support from the church and it's a fine partnership...much like the one the Tsars had with the church.

    Meanwhile, millions of old people who trusted and worked for THE STATE all their lives now find themselves forced to beg on the streets...selling a single flower or sweeping up....just to make a few coins. It's heartbreaking to see these people on the street....selling a tulip...over and over.....or a cheap watch.....or a simple pad of paper.

    This is the nation Putin's about to exploit.
     
  14. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    I love that people think these events are somehow separate from politics.

    Bread and circuses...
     
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  15. A week ago Sunday on one of the morning TV news discussion programs this topic was discussed. I was distracted at the time but I clearly recall one of the panelists making a comment that US corporations doing business in Russia are being very careful in selecting who they send over to Russia for the same reasons. Since I wasn't fully paying attention I don't know if this was a statement based in fact or a supposition on the panelist's part. I can see how corporations would be very careful to not upset the Russian government, not that I agree with it but what are they to do? If the Russian government would prosecute an Olympian for this they would also do the same for any foreigner operating in their country.
     
  16. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Well, I suppose if you don't want to hear it, then don't listen to it or read about it.

    Professional athletes—and especially Olympic athletes—have influence (almost inevitably) outside of running really fast, being really good at skiing, being really strong, etc. That is to say, they aren't simply human machines there to entertain us. They inspire, influence, etc., to the extent of being role models to young and old alike.

    Regarding Olympic athletes who are openly gay, I would be more concerned about their silence than about anything they say about the matter that isn't out of hand.

    The controversy isn't being created by such athletes. The controversy is already there. The onus isn't on "outspoken" athletes; it's on Putin et al. regarding unethical laws.
     
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  17. I've copied this article from the Chicago Tribune. You have to be a digital subscriber to read it, not for a fee but it limits the number of articles that can be read each month. I figured this one was important enough to warrant reading.

    Pole vault star Isinbayeva a symbol of Russian homophobia - chicagotribune.com

    what bullshit...
     
  18. Nick Symmonds blasts Russia on gay rights at Moscow track championship - CNN.com

    excerpt, because it deserves to be quoted...

    USA USA USA
     
  19. MSD

    MSD Very Tilted

    Location:
    CT
    The games will go on unless sponsors threaten a mass exodus because the IOC has zero concern for anything but the bottom line. In a just world, Russia would be condemned for this law and lose the right to host the games, but we don't live in anything resembling just world. Fuck the IOC, fuck the Olympics in general, and fuck Russia and the 2014 Olympics in particular. I won't be watching and I'll be avoiding any coverage or recaps.
    Yes, and the negroes should have kept to their churches and schools and not gotten so uppity in the US back in the 1960s.
     
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  20. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    And how successful were the black panthers at gaining support and acceptance from society?

    There is a time and place and correct techniques to follow when protesting at this event, but it isn't during the games. And I'm not sure I will want to watch any of the normal media coverage because I bet they will spend a lot of time talking to gay athletes about the struggles of competing in Russia while being oppressed in an attempt to create controversy...