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How much do you pay for health care?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by ralphie250, May 6, 2013.

  1. Lordeden

    Lordeden Part of the Problem

    Location:
    Redneckhell, NC
    I know Healthcare IT is the place to be. HIPAA requires so much in the way of privacy and the push to EMR, money is MADE in IT. It's not just the people who treat patients that make money, it's all the companies around healthcare that make money.
     
  2. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    Yep, that's for sure. And they are fucking it up big time...and patching the holes as they can.
     
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  3. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    A friend of mine works directly for a health care company doing IT for their organization. They run hospitals, clinics, AND an insurance company. He makes very good money because he's basically on call all the time and works 50 hour weeks. He's no longer hourly, but they pay him accordingly.
     
  4. fflowley

    fflowley Don't just do something, stand there!

    Fucking it up big time does not even come close to describing the fiasco of our implementation of EMR.
    The right words probably haven't been invented yet.
     
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  5. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    After I got laid off from MTV in 2001, I bumped into someone on the street who was also part of The Culling. He told me in not so many words, the world of IT shifted but if you want a job with some growth get into the healthcare sector. They will fuck that shit up big time just like they did with all the other industries that they touched, and then someone else will come in and clean up the shit.
     
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  6. fflowley

    fflowley Don't just do something, stand there!

    Well I'm ready for the shit cleaner upper guy to show up.
     
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  7. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    This is why you need one standard, and a winner. Even if it is a monopoly that has strict government oversight.

    My doctor has upgraded a little, and she was able to pull up the results of a test I had done 3 months prior on the screen in the room. But, where was the CT scan or the X-Ray I had done on my kidneys? I paid $1000 and the health insurance paid $4000 for them. I would think that a copy would have been sent to both my doctor and the urologist to show me.

    My sister works in the healthcare field and she told me that different hospitals can't import the data from other hospitals if they are on different systems. And I wonder how many people get less than the best care because a doctor at a distant hospital can't pull up their record quickly when they have an emergency?
     
  8. TheSurgeOn

    TheSurgeOn Getting Tilted

    Location:
    England
    Can't imagine what this guy's private medical costs would be/whether he would have made it, thanks to the 2nd biggest organisation on the planet next to the Chinese Army. NHS ftw.
     
  9. MSD

    MSD Very Tilted

    Location:
    CT
    I just checked my pay stub, and I pay $25.74 every other week for my insurance, $58 and change into the retiree healthcare fund (the union negotiated to have us pay 3% of our salary for 10 years into the fund, which not only offsets the cost of retiree healthcare, but gives the union leverage in future negotiations because it's a lot harder to get rid of a benefit if we've already paid into the fund,) and $0 for dental.

    I'm required to get a physical every 3 years at my age, checkups every 6 months for my blood pressure, diabetes, and asthma, two dental cleanings/checkups, and a vision/general eye health checkup. The mandatory checkups are 0 copay, and I get a $100 refund at the end of the year if I have all of them done, otherwise I have to pay an extra $100 per month in premiums. The copay for non-cosmetic dental work is 10-15% of the total cost for amalgam or composite fillings, gold fillings cost more.

    Copays are $5 for generic prescriptions, $10 for brand names, and $25 for non-preferred (mostly brand names for which generic alternatives are available, i.e. Tussionex cough syrup instead of a generic codeine or hydrocodone for severe cough,) $0 for maintenance drugs for chronic conditions (my lisinopril and metformin are free, Advair costs $5 for a 90-day supply,) and some are lower than the standard copay, like my zolpidem (generic for Ambien,) which is $3.79 for 30 days' worth. All prescriptions are covered, no exceptions, and I get a special CVS Caremark card that gets me 30% off of almost everything store brand. Primary care copays are $10 per visit, specialists are $10, no referral needed, urgent care is $0 copay, and ER is $0 copay for real emergencies, $35 if it's determined that an urgent care or PCP visit would have been a viable alternative. Ambulance transportation is $0 copay if necessary, life flight (air ambulance) is $0 copay if necessary. There are no coverage limits.
     
  10. Speed_Gibson

    Speed_Gibson Hacking the Gibson

    Location:
    Wolf 359
    Those required checkups certainly make sense from their perspective. The last time I had any kind of doctor's visit aside from a dentist's office was my termination physical in the navy, and that took a direct order from a Lt. Commander. Certain people have been fond of saying I should go to a doctor to have my knees looked at, but that is not likely to happen anytime soon. Especially when my definition of "pain" is involuntary tears.
     
  11. MSD

    MSD Very Tilted

    Location:
    CT
    I've always been the kind of person to put doctor's visits off, I love the incentive of mandatory checkups. Since they implemented them, I've lost 25 pounds, my blood pressure has dropped by 20/10 points and is in normal range (literally every one of my blood relatives has high blood pressure that requires medication, so only needing 10mg of lisinopril is an accomplishment,) and my Hemoglobin A1C has gone from 6.7 to 5.9 (5.7 is the lower limit for diabetes.) Forget the reduced cost in the almighty taxpayers' dollars, the program has helped me get healthier and I'll probably live ten years longer because of the beneficial changes I've made.
     
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  12. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Oregon provides a good example how the state insurance exchanges being created under the ACA to provide insurance to individuals and small employers will make private plans more open and competitive:

    And this is before a rate board certifies that the proposed premium rates are justifiable and the insurance companies certify that they meet the new medical loss ratio standards.

    Oregon Rate Board
     
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  13. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    This is a great time to have a medical doctor as a governor. We're doing lots of cool things in healthcare reform right now. I'm really proud of our coordinated care organizations. Can Oregon save American health care?
     
  14. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Oregon does alot of things right...best election system in the country, highest (or close to the top) state minimum wage in the country, greenest state in the country (or maybe second to Vermont) with lowest carbon footprint per capita...and now you can add health care to the list.
     
  15. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    It's like an American British Columbia.
     
  16. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    Well, you know, it wasn't all that long ago that from southern Oregon north was all Oregon Territory--including British Columbia.

    BC finally became definitively British territory in 1846, and the boundary wasn't firmly established until the Pig War.
     
  17. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Well, much of the region was claimed to be Oregon Territory. If you spoke to British and French Canadian fur traders at the time, they'd have had a different opinion. :p
     
  18. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    Actually, they were pretty much all the same crew. There was very little government here until the mid-19th century. Most of the interest up until then was driven by fur and the Hudson's Bay Company, which stretched as far south as Ft. Vancouver on the Columbia River. I did take a whole class on this stuff, you know ;) I recommend reading this book if you're interested in learning more about the history of British Columbia, Oregon, and Washington all converge and then separate: The West Beyond the West: A History of British Columbia: Jean Barman: 9780802094957: Amazon.com: Books
     
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  19. Indigo Kid

    Indigo Kid Getting Tilted

    I pay ZERO. Don't have any health care and hope I stay healthy. I've found that lots of people don't pay and live on the "dole" here OMG!!! America! So although I'm white and have a B.A. and tons of work experience, I'm over 50 and white and CAN'T afford healthcare. OMG! Am I embarrassed? Hell no, if illegle imigrants get treated at hospitals than Me - an American born citizen can play the same game. Fuck "Em all. I've paid taxes for over 50 years. Boya!
     
  20. Lindy

    Lindy Moderator Staff Member

    Location:
    Nebraska
    Fur traders??? How ungreen!! They killed all those cute little animals?
    I'll just bet that they ate animals too. They survived, thrived, prospered with no minimum wage and no health insurance? How could it be?;)

    Careful, Indigo Kid, no whining by old white folks allowed! You guys are so old news!:(

    I'm a healthy 36 year old mostly self-employed female, and I pay, out of my own pocket, about $140 monthly for a BCBS policy that has a $6000 deductible and also a $6000 max on annual out of pocket costs, including the deductible.
    Basically they pay first dollar coverage for annual physicals and OB-GYN exams up to $500 and I pay for everything else up to $6000 and they pay 100% above that.

    I buy insurance to insure against a catastrophic loss, not to pay for normal medical care. As a healthy 36 year old last year I saw the doc only three times, and BCBS paid for two of those. I don't take any prescription drugs, expensive or otherwise.

    The plan allows me to fund a Health Savings Account for medical expenses with pre-tax dollars which is important to me because I'm in a high tax bracket (higher than Pres. Obama's 18.4% though my income is 1/3 of his...)
    Last year I paid about $1400 in medical and dental expenses out of pocket, plus another about $1700 for health insurance.
    Nobody wants to use their car, homeowners, or life insurance, right?
    Why do we then feel somehow cheated if we don't have our health insurance pay for all our medical stuff?