Politics The Elephant in the room...The GOP today

What are you arguing??? I am saying we do not know how primitive man kept track of time. There may have been periods when they simply did not care. If you think humans are linked to apes, do you think apes care about time? Even using your views, the concept of time would have to be learned or developed in humans. How many years did this take? And then you would have the first people who would think in terms of history. they then would speculate with no modern science to try to determine when things may have happened. So if at one time some guy sits down and says the earth is 4,000 - what does that mean??? It is of no significance. If a teacher in a classroom says the earth is 4,000 years old as fact, in-spite of the evidence we have today, I would fire the teacher. I think you would want to seek permission from their union first.

 

Yes. There are religions that don't hold the Biblical view of God.

Here is a link to a good chart summarizing many world religions.


The Big Religion Comparison Chart: Compare World Religions - ReligionFacts

 

In my lifetime, the Republican Party has gone from the moderate conservative Nixon/Ford to the more conservative but pragmatic Reagan/GH Bush to the Gingrich revolution and Contract with American and the emergence of Limbaugh to GHW Bush/Cheney and off budget massive tax cuts, an unjustifiable war and abrogation of treaties to the Tea Party/Grover Norquist/Koch Brothers/Family Reserach Council anti-government, no tax pledge, no compromise,conspiracy driven drivel regardless of the impact. And,with no coherent or rational economic policy other than discredited trickle down, no health care policy, no environmental/energy policy other than pandering to big oil, and social policies driven by the religious right.

What is most shocking is their belief that they simply have to change their message, not their policies. Today's conservatives are not Reagan conservatives or Buckley conservatives....they are ideological extremist with no interest in working together to find common ground.
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Respectfully requesting that the Bible/evolution discussion be taken to a new thread, given that it has strayed well beyond the issue of teaching the Bible (and only the Bible) in public schools.

 

In part, I think it is a party that is predominantly White, male, middle aged/old and Southern reacting to changing demographics and whose fears are being driven by the talking heads and conspiracy theorists, along with the corporate side of the party throwing obscene amounts of money into protecting their own interests above the interests of the country.

 

I was discussing religion. I did not see where we narrowly defined the concept.

American conservatives have various religious beliefs and there are as American liberals who hold the same views of Christianity as American conservatives. In fact it would be of interest to me if President Obama actually shared in detail what he actually believes.
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How do you explain the number of Republican Governors? How do you explain the Republican numbers in the House? How do you explain the number of Republicans in state-wide elected office.

Since 1980 Republicans won 5 Presidential elections, Democrats 4. Are you sure about your opinion, or is it based on a hope and a prayer?
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For the record I did not bring this up. If you folks want to mock others without a response that seems to lack...in my opinion.
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No. Just because some call something racist does not make it so. The minimum wage was clearly hurt young minorities in our urban centers, to have to deal with demagoguery is the problem not racism. Progressive income taxation makes it progressively harder for poor people to accumulate wealth - this simple fact is ignored, the rich get richer (the gap widens) and foolish people wonder why? Actually, I think many serve rich constituents and pretend to support the poor.

 

Not quite, Ace.

Evangelicals make up about 1/3 of Republican voters, but only about 10% of Democratic voters:

Ace, voting demographics are changing dramatically with each election.

In 1980, 88% of voters for president were White; in 2012 it was down to 73%. You dont think that trend matters?



And, as to the House, gerrymandering has certainly worked to their advantage.

 

Make up your mind, is the subject off limits or not?

 

The issue of twisting the discussion from only teaching the Bible (exclusive of other religious books) to a rambling nonsensical diatribe of creationism as a scientific theory is off limits.
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You dont think the largest single voting block among Republicans -- white evangelicals -- and their hardline social policies that are out of step with most Americans is not a problem for Republicans?

 

When it comes to religion as your charts illustrate, you do not know what you are talking about because you don't know how the categories are defined. And it appears your preference is to stay ignorant.

I read your comment about gerrymandering at first I was going to ignore it, but given we are talking about ignorance (either those who gave you that talking point or the assumption that people will believe it are ignorant - read dumb as May fly in June), I will go where your comment begs us to go. Why would Democrats let Republicans gerrymander to the degree that Republicans control the House? Are Democrats ignorant of the process and got gamed? Or, did Democrats play along so that they benefit from their gerrymandered districts as well? Come on, you know superficial talking points get no where around here! The Republican party simply is not as dead as some want to believe.

 

Numbers dont lie, Ace.

Obama has the smallest percentage of White voters since 1984 and won the popular vote by nearly 5 million votes.

 

Is President Obama evangelical?

Either come out and clearly state what your implication is, or drop it. Are you suggesting White voters are racist? I believe voters, vote based on issues, even religious voters. If we need to debate the issue of racism, let's do it and stop tap dancing around the issue.

 

Ace, dont play the race card, please.

I provided data supporting the fact that the White vote as a percent of total vote is declining. That is indisputable.

It is exit polls (not just my opinion), that current Republican hardline policies are anathema to core concerns of minority voters. And that doesnt get to the issues of concerns to young single women voters, another growing block Republicans will continue to lose by wider margins.

BTW, it was South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham who said the GOP can't win with "angry white guys" and former Bush campaign advisor Mark McKinnon who said "The GOP cannot expect to win the presidency in the future by simply relying on running up big numbers with white voters,"

And, Obama goes to a mainline Protestant church.
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in fact, the Pew Center on Religion and Public Life defines the categories in its (not my) charts.

 

You brought race into the discussion. Are you attempting to lie about that or what are you doing? Is it another one of those - I want to make any statement I want to make and I don't want any push back?

It is not relevant. If it is, say why? If it is not why did you bring it up?

Single women voters - I doubt these women place their votes based on marital status. Marital status is a coincidental correlation. Your data often misses the point or it is your interpretation of the data.

That is a truism. Democrats can not win the presidency in the future with only "angry black women". So what is the significance of either statement?

You don't answer the question.

Here is a clue, if you don't want me to continually comment on a subject that has my interest ignore my posts and I go away and move on. Is this subject off limits or not? If it is, drop it!

I say that you don't understand the categories, your comment is not responsive. You are ignorant on the issue and you want to remain ignorant. That is clear, you can move on.

 

Ace...I have no interest in getting into name calling with you.

Numerous Republicans including those I cited as well as Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and many others recognize the demographic problem for their party. Others have their heads in the sand.

If you dont want to discuss the changing voting demographics in a rational and objective manner, thats fine with me.