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Do you expect to work continuously for 30+ years?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by ASU2003, Jan 24, 2013.

  1. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    It might not be with the same company anymore, but do you think you need to have a job for 30-40 years? Or do you have a plan to work less than that? Maybe you will work for part of your career at a job to make money, and then at a job you like just to have something to do even if the money isn't good. Or do you need to work a certain amount of time before you get a pension?

    Have you had any problems finding a new job if you have lost a job? Is your life setup in such a way that you can't survive and pay the bills for a few months if you aren't earning a regular paycheck?

    What else would you do if you didn't need to go to work? Do you have a plan for what you will do if you find yourself laid-off unexpectedly? Does adding kids into your life make the job-loss problem much more complicated, or is it better since you can spend more time with them?

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    I'm still at my first post-college job, and I could technically 'retire' after 20 years without a pension, it would be tough. I would still have a lot of years to live and any health expenses could ruin everything, let alone health insurance premiums. I do save a lot of money and I also keep my expenses down pretty low. I expect to really be able to save in 2014 without the big expenses that I've had in the past few years (20% -> 50%+).

    If I did lose my job unexpectedly, it would take me a while to figure out what I would do. I wish I had a better plan. Part of me would want to travel for months at a time by bicycle and staying in hostels, and I know that I could handle it now and not have the feelings of "what are you doing, you should have a job" that I felt the last time I was unemployed. I have enough money saved up to keep my house, but if I sold it and put my stuff into storage, it would feel more freeing. I'm not attached to this area, and would have no problem moving to a better area. Not that this is a bad place, I would say 80% of the country has more problems than here, and I would only want to move someplace better. I think I would like to try and start a business too, so if that worked out or didn't work out, it would still be something to say that you are doing to keep 'society' from considering you a deadbeat or a slacker.
     
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  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Yes, I'm doing my career arc to work continuously.

    I'm progressively getting less "hands-on" and more towards
    "decision making" and using my mind instead of body.
    And in my mind...ironically getting paid more for it.

    People don't pay for how hard you work.
    They pay for what they can't do
    and what they don't want to deal with.

    Companies pay bank for what they perceive they need
    and where the market is.

    And I do not trust the market or the government to supply income.
    Anything can go belly-up at anytime.
    And they can change the rules at their discretion.

    ...I'm in IT/computers.
    There's no such thing as a pension
    Sure, you have 401K's...and your own savings and investments if you have spare.
    But even these aren't safe...all you need is one crisis to chew it all up.

    I learned a long time ago that companies are mercurial.
    So you have to be prepared to move on for whatever reason.
    That's why I moved to an area with LOTS of options.

    Because job hunting is a "volume" game.
    You don't know what the company and those making decisions want or what they are "concerned" with.
    You could raise your eyebrow at the wrong time...and not get the job.
    Hell, I've even given a correct answer and the tech interviewing me got aggravated because he couldn't see it another way.
    And the mgmt passed because he was a "known evil" and he obviously wouldn't have been "warm & fuzzy" with me.

    You gain experience, maybe you have "paperwork" to back you up, maybe not. (college, certs, etc...)
    You put yourself out there...hustle, hustle, hustle.
    Answer emails, field phone calls, do phone screens, do face to face...each progression with less percentage.
    Sooner or later, you find something that's "do-able" and it clicks.

    NOTHING is guaranteed until they sign on the dotted line.
    Everthing else is a tap-dance and bullshit.

    ...I've set myself up to be in a area and career to skip/jump across the rocks across the river.
    FT jobs, contract jobs, bridging jobs, off-hours jobs.
    Fortunately, with my broad background over time...I've got more options.
    Only now my challenge is all the friggin syntax blurs together.

    I usually turn something around in a few weeks, two months at most.
    Unemployment is pathetic in comparison to my normal income
    and there's a lag getting it started and states are looking for any excuse not to pay.

    When I was married, I had less options due to my obligations at home,
    I'm sure adding kids into the mix would complicate things even more.

    Companies and mgmt are selfish often.
    It's their convenience.
    And it's a buyer's market for the past few.

    Now that I don't have a constant siphon on money,
    I can build up resources to make things more comfortable in-between projects and jobs.

    The key is build up your resources.
    And make sure you're in an area and career with options.
    I've seen others and experienced it without...it isn't pretty.
    You never know what stupidity is going to hit.
     
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  3. Rebel CR

    Rebel CR Vertical

    Location:
    Cell Number 99
    If my photography passion could support my solo mortgagee status, I'd work as long as I was able to keep capturing frozen moments of time that only the camera lens can.

    However, the reality is photography won't because it's something I've never been employed to do therefore I don't have the 'experience' but I've never had any problem finding the next job as I'm not a 'specialist' in a particular area fortunately. I was made redundant three times in seven years but I've also temped numerous times, in my city and up country, so I have that experience working in my favour and I'd do it again if necessary.
     
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  4. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    This is a great question for me. As a mother-to-be with a husband who makes a decent wage I could see myself debating whether or not I want to return to work... If I weren't doing something SO FRACKIN' AWESOME!
    But, really, I have planned my life to work. Financially we aim to retire early and / or start our own business someday, but realistically I plan to always work - at least part-time. I csn't abide not having an income or feeling idle. We save a hefty portion of each paycheck. I have never not been a student, though for the past 7 years I have been paid to be a student/instructor. We live without debt. No mortgage, no car payments, paid off credit cards, no major financial uncertainties looming over our heads. My husband has always found work, even in a depressed economy. He has never left a job involuntarily. He has taken a couple of planned months off work between jobs in the past, and took time off to go back to school for his MBA, but he found an MBA that wanted him bad enough to offer tuition scholarships and a living stipend. We have savings buffers, and enough free cash in savings/checkings to handle some unexpected expenses. We have two incomes but live off one.

    Writing it out like this, I realize our situation is fairly rare. We are happy with the decisions we have made to get us to this point.

    Yes, we plan to work. We choose to work. We choose careers that offer fulfillment and live frugally to have flexibility, so if we ever feel unhappy with our work situation we can move on. It's a charmed and delightful life.
     
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  5. Cayvmann

    Cayvmann Very Tilted

    I'll probably work until I'm dead. Savings are a pipe dream eaten away by medical bills. My wife will probably be a PA in about three years so we should have a good income. Maybe she'll be able to retire when I'm dead.

    Honestly from what I've seen from retired people, I'd probably rather work anyway.
     
  6. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I'm not sure how viable retirement will be for me in 30 or 40 years. This is the ninth year I've been in my current job, which, according to what I understand, is "too long" by today's standards. There just aren't many prospects in my industry outside of freelancing. I'm going to stick to salaried work for as long as I can. Career-wise, I'm in a field that will allow me to work well into old age. It just depends on whether there is such a thing as books in the future. You really never know. I should have become an oil burner mechanic like my father.

    As for unexpectedly losing my job, the risk is always there. Those in the Canadian book publishing industry work in what has historically been called "the perilous trade." Recent developments both economic and technological have posed problems industry-wide. As long as government support remains consistent, it shouldn't be a problem, but you never know. My immediate fallback plan would be to ramp up my freelance opportunities. The first thing to tap would be the Editors' Association of Canada.

    Next, I would actively pursue corporate clients, as they are the bread and butter of full-time freelance editors.

    Finally, I would take the leap and develop/offer services in copywriting. I've toyed with the idea in the past, but it requires a bit of research and setup (i.e., a targeted portfolio) to get it going. I've been reluctant to do this thus far because I get the feeling I'd hate the work. I'm not sure if this is true, but when it comes down to the money, I can imagine worse things I'd have to do. (No, the_jazz. Not that. Gross.)

    Even in the worst-case scenario, my SO is an elementary school teacher. Union job. Great pay. Crazy pension. I should have become a teacher.
     
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  7. I have been consistently employed since August of 1979, never laid off or let go. In fact, since 1969, there was only once I was unemployed and it wasn't by choice. I was working nights as a busboy/dishwasher and the manager asked me to skip school and work a double shift. When I declined he fired me. The SOB was asking a high school honor student working on a 4 year perfect attendance record to skip school for his minimum wage gig. I didn't like him or the job anyway.

    Since '79, I've had 3 employers, 26 years with my current (technically. Our company was "merged" a year ago). I've always found a job, gave notice and moved on without missing a pay day.

    Life has always conspired to swallow up any real savings we could accumulate, but other than a mortgage, we live relatively debt free. I have no pension coming and my 401k has suffered as much as everyone else's. I'm 58, reasonably healthy and will probably work as long as I can function. (or until I have a hit record ;) )
     
  8. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    Why would I want to retire?

    The more time I spend in the classroom, the more I love it, and I can only imagine it will get better once it's my own. And I get enough vacation to make the long days worth it. Based on my mentor teacher's schedule, I'll be working approx. 50+ hours a week, and certain times of year, like grading periods and assessment time, there will be even more work. But outside of the schoolday--8am to 4pm--my schedule is my own to determine. My mentor teacher usually spends all day Sunday grading and getting set up for the week. The modern classroom comes with a lot of paperwork. I anticipate maintaining a similar schedule. The upside is I get two guaranteed weeks off at Christmas, all major holidays, a week of spring break, and depending on the school district, at least a month and a half off in the summer.

    My favorite teacher in high school was a little older than my parents. I once asked her her thoughts on retirement. "Why would I want to retire? They'll have to take me out of this classroom. When I'm here with my students, I'm as happy as a clam."

    She is retired now, but she's more than earned it, and she hasn't lost touch with her students (thank you, Facebook).
     
  9. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    It's not that I dislike my current job, and the travel and field work is great. The issue I have is one of burnout. I don't get the vacation period that teachers do. ;) That is pretty much what I would be looking to have if I started my own company, but I would want 2 months off in the Summer, 4 weeks off from before Christmas to after the New Year, and a week for a Fall and Spring break. And the hours don't change so I can work less when things aren't busy, but I always have to work overtime when they are.

    I do worry about having enough to do if I didn't have a job (after I spend 3-4 months catching up and completing things that I have been meaning to do...) Although, if I had a comfortable bank account, that wouldn't be a problem.
     
  10. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    Between all of the non-contract/furlough days we had this year, that's about what we've got in this school district. I personally don't like it this year as it means I have to be very conscientious about still getting in my practicum hours.
     
  11. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    I am in the grumpy old dude category, although I would characterize it as ornery and experienced.

    First full time job was in 1983. Two years working in the US Senate, followed by working for four different public interest groups as researcher, policy analyst, lobbyist and finally settled in for the last 10 years on the program development side. Public interest work was always the plan, but it took a while to find the right niche.

    The compensation is more than acceptable, although no match for comparable work in the private sector. But more importantly, the culture of the current organization suits me well, there are always new challenges to take on, and the flexibility and autonomy are worth more than being driven by a profit motive just for a higher paycheck.

    I could retire comfortably in another 5-7 years if it became necessary, but as long as they like my work, the plan is to stick around and eventually ease into a few consulting contracts with a smaller but still comfortable income stream until a post-65 retirement.
     
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  12. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    I would love to retire now, but that isn't a realist option. I suppose I will retire someday, but there is at least another 15 to 20 years to go before I can manage that. If I somehow come into a lot of money, enough to offset a reduced income, I could see going into semi-retirement. What I mean is, living a less expensive life and working a smaller jobs that are more personally satisfying but financially less rewarding.
     
  13. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    You know what they call semi-retirement? Part-time. :D
     
  14. CinnamonGirl

    CinnamonGirl The Cheat is GROUNDED!

    No, I expect to meet a sugar daddy, and travel the world as a highly pampered courtesan.



    Okay, probably not. I'm young enough that I can work for the next 30 years and be just about the right age for retirement, so that isn't a huge deal. I'd like to have an active sort of retirement, though, with either a part time job I love, or some kind of volunteering.

    Money-wise, I'm most definitely not prepared to stop working, but that should start to change this year.
     
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  15. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    That would be AWESOME.
     
  16. Rebel CR

    Rebel CR Vertical

    Location:
    Cell Number 99
    i work only part-time (but earn a full-time salary) although it's not a choice, it's a medical restriction ;)
     
  17. fflowley

    fflowley Don't just do something, stand there!

    I got a surprise when I read the thread title, and thought, well, 30 years of work is so far off in the future, who knows.
    Then I remembered I've been working since 1994 so 20 years is right around the corner.
    My work is grueling, emotionally exhausting, but highly personally rewarding and fulfilling and comes with a nice check every month.
    I think I'll be happy when my wife and I hit the "magic number" and I can leave the work scene. I have so many hobbies and interests that I would like more time to enjoy.
     
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  18. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    I started working full time at my "big boy career" job fairly young, so I fully expect to end up somewhere closer to 45 years total before I can/will retire. Though I have some retirement savings, I should be doing better. I'm anticipating working until I'm around 65-ish, unless I have some long lost loved one that unexpectedly leaves me millions.
     
  19. nose spray

    nose spray New Member

    Yeah, I plan on working until I'm 60-65, no matter "the retirement age." I am currently on year four of my current job and it's decent. I've gotten a lot of experience, and they're paying for schooling so that's a plus. Also getting a lot of training, and going for some certs in 2013.

    I aim to have at least 5-7m in my 401k, on top of other investments such as PMs, IRAs, HSAs, etc. My fiancé will have about 3-5m in her 401k, depending...I have thought about the next raise I get (March), maxing out her 401k and we just live off my salary and save hers (on top of my own investments)...a lot of people do that in my area and I think it's a solid retirement plan.

    As far as working, I don't know. If I stay in the corporate world, probably my original 60-65 quote. If I end up starting my own business, which is very possible, who knows.
     
  20. In reality, I'll probably be dead in 30 years, certainly in 40. I'm maybe looking at working 8 years tops. Then I hope I have enough accumulated to live comfortably - a relative term. I was unemployed for 17 months starting in 2009. I had left a great job and took a chance with a start up. Then the economy crashed. The industry I'm in was hit extremely hard. I probably aged 10 years then. I never want to be in that position again. I'm fine with what I'm doing today, not what I would have expected but it provides a pay check. And that is what it's all about. I really don't need a career at this point, I need a pay check.