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What books are you reading right now?

Discussion in 'Tilted Art, Photography, Music & Literature' started by sapiens, Aug 12, 2011.


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  2. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    This post you wrote has been stuck in my head for a while, and I've been turning it over in my mind. I have the KJV sitting on my desk here, but I'm reluctant to just jump into it with the intent of consuming it as a whole.

    I think I'm now leaning towards reading these texts separately. I'm not actually attached the the KJV specifically. It was merely an idea based on the fact that I was going to read these holy books for scholarly/aesthetic reasons rather than spiritual reasons, and so the modern/practical/utilitarian translations didn't appeal to me as much.

    However, you've intrigued me on the edition of The Five Books of Moses that you recommended. I'm actually more interested in reading the Hebrew Bible than I am the New Testament (which I just may end up foregoing). However, in looking around at all the stuff out there, I'm now wondering about my approach. I don't know all that much about the Jewish faith and its texts, so I hope you could give me, an outsider, some guidance.

    Would it be of interest to read the Tanakh, or will The Five Books of Moses suffice? What specific works would you recommend outside of the Fox one you listed above? I'm wondering just how much I should take on. I know I want to read Psalms.
     
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  3. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

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    It's still worth dipping into the KJV here and there, for purely aesthetic reasons. It really is a gorgeous piece of poetry, and should certainly be valued as such. I would hate to think that anything I said might have undercut that point, which is a serious one.

    That said, there are two different questions I am seeing in your post: about Jewish sacred text and about Judaism. Here's the thing: one cannot read the Tanach-- even in the original-- and come away with anything approaching a functioning understanding of Judaism. Forgive me, I know you're Canadian, but the analogy that I like to use is that reading the Torah is like reading the Constitution: you can't truly understand how American society functions without having read it, but having only read it and nothing else, you still can't understand how American society functions. Or, to switch metaphors a bit, Torah is the legal/theological/cultural foundation upon which the edifice of Judaism is built, but you can't tell what a building really looks like by just looking at its foundations.

    If you want to read some Jewish scripture, which (unsurprisingly) I support, I do think it is a good idea to read the Torah first and foremost, and probably to have more than one translation you're looking at, so you can get a sense from different renderings of the implications of the original. Aside from Fox's Five Books of Moses, I recommend The Jewish Study Bible, edited and with commentary by Marc Zvi Brettler, Adele Berlin, and Michael Fishbane (brought to you by the same folks who put out the Oxford Study Bible edition of the Christian scriptures, which is excellent also). This latter (the Jewish Study Bible) uses the New JPS (Jewish Publication Society) translation, which is the gold standard baseline translation in the Jewish world; and it adds excellent academic marginalia and footnotes, and a wonderful series of academic essays at the end by various fine Jewish scholars.

    I also recommend highly Robert Alter's translations of Psalms, and of the Wisdom Books (Job, Proverbs, and Ecclesiastes). I cordially loathe Job, but I found this translation so engaging as to make it readable; my wife, who wrote her rabbinic thesis on Job and loves it, says it is a magnificent piece of work. I like Ecclesiastes and Proverbs in the original: Alter's is the first translation I have seen of them that I really like, though the KJV Proverbs is worth reading just because so many have passed into common usage in English literature. Alter also has a forthcoming work (April 1 of this year) called Ancient Israel: The Former Prophets, which will be a translation of Joshua, Judges, Samuel, and Kings, and ought to be unbelievable (he's already published a translation of most of Samuel called The David Story, which presumably will be subsumed into this newer, larger work, and it was excellent). But if you want a translation of Psalms other than the KJV (James' Psalms, though not always particularly accurate in translation, are some of his most beautiful poetic work), Alter is my go-to recommendation. Likewise, my go-to recommendation for a translation of Song of Songs (other than the KJV, whose SS is absolute best part of the whole text, poetically speaking) is that of Chana and Ariel Bloch, published under The Song of Songs: The World's First Great Love Poem. An absolutely fantastic piece of work.

    I might also recommend reading some basics about Talmud. Judaism as it is practiced today (as it has been practiced for most of the last two millennia) is, in many ways, far more a religion of the Talmud than of the Tanach. The three best extant works in English introducing the Talmud and the concepts of Rabbinic Literature are The Cambridge Companion to the Talmud and Rabbinic Literature, edited by Charlotte Fonrobert; The Essential Talmud: An Introduction, by Adin Steinsaltz; and The Talmud: What It Is and What It Says, by Jacob Neusner. The absolute best and most essential overall introduction to Jewish text as a whole-- Biblical, Rabbinic, and later-- is an utterly indispensible book called Back To The Sources: Reading the Classic Jewish Texts, by Barry W. Holtz. All of these include selections from the Talmud and other Rabbinic Literature, and present extremely valuable information foundational to Judaism and Jewish religious and cultural thought.

    For general interest in Judaism, I recommend Louis Jacobs' The Jewish Religion: A Companion and The Book of Jewish Belief, probably the best general and accessible Intro Judaism books I know of. Also, Hayim Halevy Donin's To Be A Jew, which is a classic, though written monolithically from a Modern Orthodox viewpoint. Joseph Telushkin's Jewish Literacy and Jewish Wisdom are two good surveys of some aspects of Jewish Thought. Judaism: Revelation and Traditions, by Michael Fishbane, is a very good brief developmental history of Judaism. For material by and about modern Jewish thinkers and thought, I recommend Choices In Modern Jewish Thought by Eugene Borowitz, and Modern Jewish Thinkers: An Introduction, by Alan Levenson. And if you want to read something short and lovely that really conveys some of the best feeling of what it is to live an observant Jewish life-- and something that is the best possible introduction to Shabbat (the sabbath day), the observance of which is possibly the most central institution of Judaism-- then I recommend reading Abraham Joshua Heschel's The Sabbath.

    All of which is a lot, given that you were noting that you were unsure how much you want to take on. What I might recommend is start with some Hebrew Bible, see how you feel. If you read Torah or other parts of the Tanach and, once done, you find yourself intrigued, perhaps wondering how they might be interpreted by dedicated scholars, and what it might realistically be like to use them as a foundation for a society; then think about reading some stuff about Judaism, or moving on to cover some Rabbinic Literature. Anyway, I hope this helps.
     
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  4. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Thanks. You've given me a lot to chew on. It certainly gives me good ideas of what to look at.

    Also, in a slightly related note, I recently added several Yehuda Amichai works to my burgeoning reading list.
     
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  5. Speed_Gibson

    Speed_Gibson Hacking the Gibson

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    Reading The Wheel of Time books again, it has been something in the area of 15-16 years since I read them last. Putting my nexus 7 tablet to good use and reading book 1 right now. No clue where the physical copies of the first few are anymore after this many years and moves.
    I hear that one part in book 5 with the love triangle of Harry Potter, Hermoine, and Draco ranks up there with the surprise ending when a barefoot and bloody Dobby blasts Professor Severus Gruber with a wand taped to his back and watches him fall to his death from 27th floor window.
     
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  6. spindles

    spindles Very Tilted

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    You do know the last 3 books have been written by someone else, don't you?
     
  7. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

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    As I understand it, Brian Sanderson spent a fair chunk of time with Robert Jordan before he died, making sure he knew what Jordan had in mind, and how Jordan envisioned the series going; Jordan left a large amount of unfinished material, and copious notes and outlines, also.

    It's less, really, that the last three books were "written by someone else," but that they are collaborations between Jordan and Sanderson.

    For the record, I think Sanderson did a superb job preserving Jordan's voice and style, and I thought the entire wrap-up of the series was excellent. I finished A Memory of Light on Saturday, and I was in no way displeased or disappointed.
     
  8. Speed_Gibson

    Speed_Gibson Hacking the Gibson

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    I am grateful that they (forget his name off the top of my head) kept the series going after Jordan died before finishing it. I think book 4 or 5 was where I read last which puts me 10 books behind or thereabouts.
     
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  9. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Yes, I knew...and I agree with Levite.

    Actually, they may have been "enhanced" a bit...from my perspective.
    Less shrewishness and back-biting from the ladies, less long-winded descriptions of the environ...more to pertinent plot points and dialog
    and he's closing of all the loops to a nice ending...

    I think it did needed to expand to 3 more books.
    If you had all these large books with all this detail and bam slammed it shut with just one...it would have been too abrupt.

    Sanderson's done an excellent job.
    I hope they give him more gigs.
     
  10. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Brandon Sanderson isn't anything if he isn't a huge fan and unwavering champion of epic fantasy as a subgenre. I know a lot about his theories of fiction and his approaches to writing via his podcast Writing Excuses. Now all I need to do is check out his books. :p
     
  11. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

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    I know you haven't been a fan of the Wheel of Time series, so I won't bother recommending it. But you might like Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy. It was creative and innovative, and very fresh, I thought.
     
  12. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    I've actually been taking in bits and pieces of it on audiobook. I'm half tempted to give it another go, knowing more about what it is. I tend to scale my reading of books towards what they're attempting to accomplish. In other words, I don't read George R. R. Martin the same way I read Virgina Woolf. I think the problem Jordan and I have had in our failed attempts to get along were based on my thinking the writing should be tighter than it is and that the fantasy tropes he uses shouldn't be used (because, hey, they're now overused).

    I may be slowly getting over that. Maybe.

    Sanderson intrigues me. He's fun to listen to when he talks about books. He is certainly of the Church of Robert Jordan in terms of epicy epicness of epic fantasy. He likes writing long, long books.

    I think my (re)approaches to the genre have been mired in my belief that writing shouldn't be ornately descriptive. Fantasy of the epic variety, I think, is necessarily so.

    I'm learning/releanring/unlearning as I go. I had much shorter-lived problems with getting back into sword and sorcery.

    I value my education in capital-L Literature, and I appreciate my career working in small-press literary publishing, but, man, have they done a number on my enjoyment of genre fiction.

    It's like I need to give myself permission to like things that don't fit my misguided perceptions of what a novel should read like.

    It's like not being able to watch Hollywood fare after getting a degree in film studies and working for an art house film production company, or like not being able to enjoy an awesome fast food joint after graduating from culinary school and working for a niche fine dining establishment.

    It's frustrating. I mean, c'mon! As a teen I fucking loved Drizzt Do'Urden.
     
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  13. martian

    martian Server Monkey Staff Member

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    Nerds. All of you.

    ...

    I just finished Redshirts by John Scalzi. I came across some buzz on this one during my online travels and the premise kind of intrigued me, so I decided to take a chance on it. I'm glad I did; it's not my favourite ever piece of literature by any stretch, but it's a good fun story. It gets a bit meta at the end, but whether that's good or bad is really up to the reader -- suffice to say, I was at points strongly reminded of Sophie's World.

    The basic mostly spoiler-free outline is that five new low-ranking crew members are assigned to the USS Intrepid, flagship of the Universal Union, and they quickly notice that something seems to be deeply wrong on the ship. Something that involves an inordinate number of low-ranking crew members dying while in the company of certain senior officers.

    It seems to be equal parts biting satire of and love letter to Star Trek, and Star Trek fans in particular will likely have fun with it, but even if you're not a Trekkie yourself (which I am not, for the record) it's a fun read.
     
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  14. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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    Scalzi is one of the few sci-fi writers I read.

    Redshirts was a kick, as was Agent to the Stars (aliens seek out a Hollywood agent for an image makeover before going public) and Fuzzy Nation (are indigenous creatures on a distant planet intelligent or not; the future of corporate mining depends on the outcome).
     
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  15. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

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    I've enjoyed Scalzi's "Old Man's War" series, which I thought did a very nice job balancing homages to sci-fi classics and fresh takes on classic ideas. I've read the first two installments of his new serial novel/series of short stories (being released-- weekly, I think-- on Amazon) taking place in that universe, and have been suitably amused.
     
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  16. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    Baraka_Guru, I find myself struggling with the same thing at times. There are certainly corny romance novels that I used to love that I can't stomach any longer. However, I do think there is well-written genre fiction; it's just a matter of finding it.

    I also tend to think of it like food--sometimes that really fancy French meal is exciting, and sometimes I just want popcorn.
     
  17. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    I think the situation with fantasy is that the genre became highly commercialized after a post-Tolkien resurgence in the '70s. So you get the glut of books set in a world vaguely resembling historial Europe, usually medieval England. Throw in wizards, warriors, and/or rogues. Then mix in maybe something resembling orcs, maybe dragons, all creatures operating in the service of the Dark Lord. So begins the battle of Good vs. Evil.

    It then evolves into something more along the lines of what we see now: realist fantasy. Keep the vaguely European setting, the magic, the warriors, etc., but maybe make the enemies numerous because it's more realistic. Take away the good and evil and paint things grey. It's still, however, feeling like the same stories but with different accoutrements. Epic fantasy isn't epic unless it's epic: big magic, big battles, big world, big plots, big casts of characters, big trilogies if not a decalogy. That sort of thing.

    I guess I'm of that old camp of fantasy (refer to one of my previous posts about Le Guin's criticism of fantasy that is familiar and so is kind of anti-fantasy). I don't want something long, I want something good and engaging. I had false starts with The Wheel of Time, but I loved The Fionavar Tapestry. I loved the Gormenghast trilogy. I liked A Wizard of Earthsea and the first Kingkiller Chronicle book more than the second. I was blown away by Grendel. I thoroughly enjoyed my reread of The Hobbit.

    I guess it comes down to being highly selective and being aware of what I enjoy. I think this rules out much of epic fantasy, I'm afraid. I will still consider reading some works that I think will work for me before I get tapped out on epic fantasy all together. (The Great Book of Amber decalogy and the Book of the New Sun tetralogy come to mind.)

    I guess fantasy for me is more generic: a story that includes elements of the impossible. I'm not, however, simply looking for escape or being wowed by magic systems, detailed battle scenes, and overdetailed fantasy worlds. I'm coming more from the perspective of a mythologist rather than an RPGer. It needs to be a good story, and it needs to be rife with magic and meaning.

    I know most books do have much you can take away from them on an intellectual, philosophical, or metaphysical level, but I want a story to punch me in the face and say, "Hey, you're a different person now that you've read me, aren't you, motherfucker?!"

    I don't want the blow to be softened by the details.
     
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  18. Speed_Gibson

    Speed_Gibson Hacking the Gibson

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    Just finished book 3 in the Wheel of Time series. Amazon makes it too easy buy books at times, but fortunately there is nothing else in my list to buy right now.
     
  19. Rebel CR

    Rebel CR Vertical

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    I'm currently reading Arnold Schwarzenegger's autobiography, Total Recall.

    He's an excellent writer with a dry sense of humour so I'm thoroughly enjoying it. He's also a very intelligent guy.
     
  20. Just downloaded MASH by Richard Hooker. Yeah, the book the movie and the TV series was based on. Have some travel next week, looking forward to diving in to this
     
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