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Anyone following the Anon v. Steubenville, Ohio HS rapist story making it's way around today?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Borla, Jan 3, 2013.

  1. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    I guess this is a question of why we treat juveniles differently than adults. That may help explain why we treat them differently in court. The adolescent brain changes significantly over time. snowy can say more about this, but ideally, the court is limited in how juveniles are treated because they're juveniles, not adults.

    I hate stooping to irrelevant comparisons, but treating a juvenile as an adult in court is as unappealing to me as treating a juvenile as and adult in other circumstances best left to adults. I'll let your imagination take you where that will.

    I'm no legal expert, but I'd be curious as to whether criminal negligence is something that may apply. (Or something like it anyway.)
     
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  2. mixedmedia

    mixedmedia ...

    Location:
    Florida
    I understand both sides of the juvenile vs. adult issue, but frankly can't seem to work up too much outrage about either side in this situation. If these boys are 16 years old and haven't figured out that drugging a girl and having sex with her is wrong then I don't see a lot of room for moral development there outside of a tumultuous inner revolution in thought...which can happen at any age.

    Plus, I remind you, the young man in the video is 18. Just two years older. Apparently not an instigator of the event although he claims to have had sex with her. I understand (and philosophically support) not trying juveniles as adults but there does become a point, like in this case, when the distinction seems discomfortingly arbitrary.
     
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  3. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Toronto
  4. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    Steubenville rape case: Are innocent being blamed by ‘Anonymous’ group? | KDVR.com – Denver News, Weather & Sports from FOX 31 News in Denver, Colorado

    an article taking the_jazz position
    --- merged: Jan 8, 2013 at 1:03 PM ---
    the more I watch the video from CNN with the anonymous person answering questions, I think "Why can I not face my accuser?"

    I'm sorry but you don't have any credibility if you cannot accuse someone with your own face. Period.

    That has nothing to do with the evidence or any conspiracy, just about anonymous and their methodologies.
     
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  5. izzzzy New Member

    Location:
    new hampshire usa
    is any progress being made in this case?
     
  6. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member


    Google searches show that the latest news is the judge deciding whether to close the courtroom proceedings from the media and public or not. It seems that they are going ahead with trying them as minors instead of adults though, which kind of disappoints me.
     
  7. the_jazz

    the_jazz Accused old lady puncher

    Yes, that's been news in the Chicago area for a while. Her parents went public with their side of the story a few months after it happened, which is interesting since they're both alums (I think - I know at least one of them is). Their story was published in a cover story of the Tribune on a weekend, which is when they do their best investigative stuff.

    That's one of those stories that will probably always be undecided since only two people really know what happened, and one of them is dead. Sad. Very, very sad.
     
  8. Poor little girl. She will never be who she would have been - assuming this is all true.
    When justice is being seen to fail.... I cant help but smile towards the screaming maybe nut job who still draws attention and tries to get the right thing done. Outing these people, these 'things' that behaved in such a manner (allegedly) - when the law is wearing the blindfold, but not even using the scales - better than letting it die into the shadows of past without giving the victim the right to protest. This story should not have needed to be outed by masked men (and women) of the internet, the town should have been outraged and raised their own voices in horror.
    Spiking a person in itself is a vile thing to do. Spiking a child - did they never develop any morals?
    Dress the lot of them up in scout uniforms and bung them in with that vile old bastard of a football coach - and put ground glass in the lubricant.
    Poor little girl, who has to prove herself innocent before the law will even consider that they might be guilty.
     
  9. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Almost as bad is that, since they decided to try them as juveniles, the worst they can get is a couple years. They'll be freed the day they turn 21 even if they get the max sentence. Considering how long they'll be out on bond between now and the sentencing, we are probably talking 2 years at most.
     
  10. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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    Where ever I roam
    Don't they still have to register as sex offenders? They will have a hard time getting into college or finding a job either way.
     
  11. the_jazz

    the_jazz Accused old lady puncher

    Not unless they're convicted. And then it depends on OH state law on what applies and what doesn't.
     
  12. Hopefully, they will hang themselves in their cells like the Indian bus driver who participated in the gang rape and murder of an innocent female passenger.
     
  13. I don't think that will happen chinese crested I'm afraid there is a sense of invincibility and entitlement here largely due to public adoration and idolatry placed on the football team. Maybe someone will kick the shit out of them, though. One can hope.
     
  14. I will happily donate a fiver for a phone card to any three cellmates who are kind enough to help them hang themselves - obviously by not intervening. In India, the dead girls brother said they were sad that the bus driver hung himself - as they would have seen justice in a public hanging.
    The turd headed football players may be big fish a a rather small pond - one hopes that bigger fish in other ponds will remember them when they start to migrate - and rip their fecking heads off.
     
  15. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I don't wish any undue ill will towards any of the perpetrators. I wish they merely get their day in court and are handed down the sentences they deserve. I also hope they don't become hardened criminals exacerbated by the "corrections" system to the extent that they have an increased chance of reoffending or conducting new kinds of offences.

    All of this is a matter of course in my mind. There is nothing that I need to add to what is already going on in that respect.

    What I'm concerned about is the continuing culture of victim blaming. I hope this so-called defence is ridiculed to the point of it being noted for its absurdity. Given any credence, and it will only make this problem worse.

    Oh, this girl shouldn't have been such a slutty drunk, amiright? Maybe she should be more careful with her choices if she doesn't want so much cock.

    Or...I don't know, maybe she wasn't the only one making choices....?

    No, the problem isn't limited to the accused in this case. The problem is a wider culture of foisting responsibility on the victims of sex crimes, in some cases to the point of absurdity: College Rape Victim Faces Expulsion for Speaking Out | Alternet
     
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  16. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

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    So, what's the GI Joe-style PSA from this whole situation?

    Doesn't seem like a very good one.
     
  17. Agree Baraka - mugging victims and robbery victims are not put on trial for looking like they might have a few quid and deserve it for carrying a certain bag or a suit are they. People who fall for scams are not accused of looking greedy and stupid and therefor deserving of being ripped off in some way.
    It is the only crime where a victim first has to prove their innocence before they have any chance of being taken seriously - probably why so few come forward. The chances of a sex attacker getting away with it are very high - and they know this. It is a small minority that are tried and punished.
    We had a stupid judge here at one time - Wilfred Pickles. He gave a rapist a non custodial sentence - because the rapist had needs, and what with his wife being pregnant..... He also pointed out how the poor rapist had lost his job (I think it was a female co-worker who he date raped.), so I think he gave him a few months probation - and said he was sorry for having had to do so.
     
  18. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
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    well that's some damning testamony.


     
  19. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    A guilt verdict has been returned: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/18/us/teenagers-found-guilty-in-rape-in-steubenville-ohio.htm