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Measuring Manliness

Discussion in 'Tilted Life and Sexuality' started by ZombieSquirrel, Jan 5, 2013.

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  1. ZombieSquirrel

    ZombieSquirrel Brrrrrrrains

    Location:
    Oregon by way of "Oh-hi-ya"
    I don't really know how one measures manliness, but apparently someone thinks that the number of home improvement stores, steak houses and motorcycles per capita is the best way. So being able to afford to do home renovations, eat out at steak houses and buy a motorcycle makes you manly? Also, women have motorcycles too.

    I just came across this article while perusing random things on the internet about my home state:



    How would you measure manliness? What would be your top 5 manly cities of the ones you have visited?

    If someone could kick my amazonian ass, I'd say it's manly. Also, if I played a rugby team filled with ruggers who make me cry, THAT is a manly city even if said players have a vagina.

    For me, Detroit is tough and so is Cincy. Cleveland scares me. DC would be on my tough. Hayward, WI has the World Lumberjack Championships and it's kind of hot to watch. Bearded men throwing axes and lifting trees.

    I need a minute.

    Must. Think. Not. Sexy. Thoughts.

    Pussies and rapists live in Pittsburgh. Not "manly" at all. Also, not sexy

    Oh the world through ZombieSquirrel's eyes!
     
    ZombieSquirrel, Jan 5, 2013
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  2. THEPRISEINFERNO

    ThePriseInferno Slightly Tilted

    To use your word: Gross.


    Honestly, I could say that I don't know the first thing about being "manly." I was raised by a single mother with a sister who is two years younger than me, and with very very little male influence around the house. I can't grow a full beard and, despite being Italian, most of the hair on the rest of my body is rather fine (where it exists at all). My physical strength is rather average if not mediocre. I don't have the deep, soothing voice that is commonly associated with "manliness."

    However, it's my belief that none of this what makes me a "man."

    It's having a good work ethic, both for physical labor and for mental (and yes, even emotional) tasks. It's about having drive, perseverance, the will to succeed. It's about knowing how to treat a lady 'right'. It's about being able to defend yourself from outside threats (animalistic or intangible, physical or otherwise). It's about living up to your word.

    All of the above can be said for women, and for everyone in general.

    Bringing it back around to my original point, I could say that I don't know the first thing about being "manly." :p
     
    ThePriseInferno, Jan 5, 2013
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  3. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

    Location:
    Struthers,Ohio
    I am shocked that Youngstown, Ohio is not on that list, I am about 2 miles away from Y-town.
     
    Knight Templar, Jan 5, 2013
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  4. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    I just painted my living room and dining room, including moving massive amounts of furniture, buying paint, cutting in, rolling the walls, rehanging decorations, removing furniture, and a thousand other things.

    I eat at more steak places than anyone I know. I'm the "go to" resource amongst my buddies when it comes to grilling, eating out, and beef.

    I put 5000 miles on my Harley in 3-4 months this summer, and I've owned multiple cars with engines smaller than the throbbing V-Twin between my legs on that bad boy.


    Someone please get a squeegee for the snail trail ZombieSquirrel leaves coming after me, because apparently I'm a pretty manly man.........
     
    Borla, Jan 5, 2013
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  5. martian

    martian Server Monkey Staff Member

    Location:
    Mars
    Calgary. Oil and bulls. Easily the manliest city in Canada, and probably rating up there in the world rankings.

    I am not manly by anyone's definition. Such is life.
     
    martian, Jan 5, 2013
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  6. streak_56

    streak_56 I'm doing something, going somewhere...

    Location:
    C eh N eh D eh....
    I live in Calgary... does that make me a man?
     
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  7. ZombieSquirrel

    ZombieSquirrel Brrrrrrrains

    Location:
    Oregon by way of "Oh-hi-ya"
    Borla is NOT hot!

    I think I need to take a trip to Calgary
     
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  8. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    What shocked me is that combos still exist. Now im hungry for some combos, and I'll wash it down with some fruitopia.

    What a stupid "study" and article. Lets start out by first defining what a man is and then design a study that measures those criteria.
    I think some of the qualities that make a man are the ability to take care of yourself and your family. The ability to be able to take orders and also to lead. The ability to admit you made a mistake. The willingness to be able to learn something for yourself and apply it. To stick up for what you believe in, and to recognize when to back down and when you you need conflict. And a hobby. A man needs some outlet, whether its tuning up your motorcycle, crafting furniture, playing guitar, cars, guns, something. I think if you think of most men in your life they had something they were passionate about and gave them some outlet for creativity.
     
    omega, Jan 5, 2013
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  9. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    Yeah I think I prefer a slightly different definition of Manliness (site-owner's hypocrisy notwithstanding).
     
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  10. ZombieSquirrel

    ZombieSquirrel Brrrrrrrains

    Location:
    Oregon by way of "Oh-hi-ya"
    I jest with my earlier concept of manliness. I believe a manly person is someone who takes initiative, and takes care of him/herself and his/her family. Doesn't make excuses. Owns failures as well as successes.
     
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  11. Cayvmann

    Cayvmann Very Tilted

    Location:
    Central North Carolina
    So, jackassed chest thumpery is still supposed to be manly? I'll pass. ( Cayvmann's house should be on the list, grumble, grumble )
     
    Cayvmann, Jan 5, 2013
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  12. mixedmedia

    mixedmedia ...

    Location:
    Florida
    Given the parameters, I am surprised that Orlando ranks only 28th.
    I would imagine if they also included Asian massage parlors we would have made at least 5th place!
     
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  13. Bodkin van Horn

    Bodkin van Horn One of the Four Horsewomyn of the Fempocalypse

    Location:
    Inside The Nucleus of Feminism
    Pretty sure that for any city, the only criteria for manliness is the presence of a Guy Fieri theme restaurant.
     
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  14. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Tsk, tsk, tsk.

    How shortsighted.

    Manliness is only one measure of a man's worth. (I think along the same lines as Shadowex3 )

    It's like all those Lululemon girls thinking they're yogis and spiritual and shit because they do asanas three times a week, when all they do, really, is a kind of gymnastics. Most of them have likely neglected the other seven of the eight limbs of yoga:
    1. Yama : Universal morality
    2. Niyama : Personal observances
    3. Asanas : Body postures
    4. Pranayama : Breathing exercises, and control of prana
    5. Pratyahara : Control of the senses
    6. Dharana : Concentration and cultivating inner perceptual awareness
    7. Dhyana : Devotion, Meditation on the Divine
    8. Samadhi : Union with the Divine
    Such is also the case with those men who think they're so manly with all their manliness. Yet, how many of them neglect the other six of the seven manly virtues?
    1. Manliness (the honourable virtues of being a man, beyond the ability to build stuff, eat beef, and ride motorcycles; includes morality and intellect, as well as physical prowess)
    2. Courage (feeling the fear and doing it anyway)
    3. Industry (effective use of time; seizing opportunities; being productive)
    4. Resolution (following through on decisions; persistence; the drive to perform and succeed)
    5. Self-Reliance (doing things for oneself; living simply and frugally; no need for validation; freedom and independence; comfortable with solitude)
    6. Discipline (doing what is necessary even if it's undesirable; no need for instant gratification; willing to make sacrifices in order to achive something)
    7. Honor (integrity: being loyal, faithful, and true; keeping promises; fulfilling duties; being a man of his word)
    Source: Manvotionals by Brett and Kate McKay - Official Site

    Well, then.... how do these so-called "manly" cities stack up? Home improvement, steak, and motorcycles? Please...tell me there is more to it than that.
    (I know I have some work to do.... :p )
     
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  15. mixedmedia

    mixedmedia ...

    Location:
    Florida
    well, it was a 'study' conducted by Combos pretzels so, you know...
     
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  16. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I know, but I think a discussion on this American/contemporary view of manliness would be interesting when contrasted with worldwide/historical views.

    I mean, when did it become sissy to read Ernest Hemingway and Dylan Thomas? When did self-indulgence become a manly virtue?
     
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  17. mixedmedia

    mixedmedia ...

    Location:
    Florida
    But you could say that both of those are true of both genders...except perhaps, for the sissy part.

    The hyper-masculine big machines, mr. fix-it, steak and potatoes archetype has existed for a long time. I'm not sure that the concept of manhood you are referring to has ever been a pervasive American archetype. It's more a European thing.
     
    mixedmedia, Jan 5, 2013
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  18. ZombieSquirrel

    ZombieSquirrel Brrrrrrrains

    Location:
    Oregon by way of "Oh-hi-ya"
    ZombieSquirrel, Jan 5, 2013
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  19. Bodkin van Horn

    Bodkin van Horn One of the Four Horsewomyn of the Fempocalypse

    Location:
    Inside The Nucleus of Feminism
    I guess if you really want to get straight to the point of the bullshit macho archetype as a way of defining the 'manliness' of a city, you could classify the manliest cities as the ones with the highest rates of domestic violence.
     
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  20. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    Just like I wouldn't trust girls to determine what is attractive in other women, I'm not sure that men should be claiming to know what women find attractive in other guys.

    Having said that, those 7 items that Baraka_guru posted is a good list.
    1. Manliness
    2. Courage
    3. Industry
    4. Resolution
    5. Self-Reliance
    6. Discipline
    7. Honor
    I might add physical appearance or taking care of your body to that list too, but beer drinking and cigar smoking in supposed to be 'manly'.
     
    ASU2003, Jan 5, 2013
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