Politics Gun violence in CT

im not sure how to check their facts, but thats what their claiming..

considering that soldiers go out and risk their lives every day of the week, its a pretty grim statistic if its true

 

We're on the path of firearm deaths (homicide, suicide, accidental) surpassing automobile deaths as the leading cause of non-medical deaths in the US


American Gun Deaths to Exceed Traffic Fatalities by 2015 - Bloomberg

 

i like how it implies gun deaths are on the rise instead of the auto death declining which is apparent from the graph.

 

Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, but had the nations highest murder rate. In 2012 they surpassed 300 murders.

 

If you want to make it that simple, states with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun related violence.

The Geography of Gun Deaths - Richard Florida - The Atlantic

 

I don't think it is possible to have a rational discussion on violence involving the use of guns. I apologize for posting, I should have known better.

 

I agree that you probably shouldnt post if you are still of the belief in the conspiracy theory that that Obama and Democrats want to confiscate all handguns from all law-abiding citizens.

Posts like your Chicago murder rate NRA-snippet rarely add to a rational discussion.

 

I agree, as well.

redux has a lot of balls showing up with his fancy maps and east-coast elitist journalism in the face of that powerful and random observation about murder in chicago.
how dare you, sir. you crazy nut.

 

Hey you, nutcrackers can be classified as assault weapons as well.

My favorite "people powered" solution...and it encourages our youth be be more physical as well.

 

How hard was it for you to stick up a statistic, pair it with a known fact and come to the conclusion that one is the result of the other? If you did the proper research Ace, you would see why your comment wasn't taken seriously.

There is no gun law on Chicago's books preventing gun shops from selling to straw purchasers. (purchasers with clean records who buy firearms for criminals.) In Chicago, that's the big Kahuna and unfortunately, it's not against the law.

Chicago gangs don’t have to go far to buy guns - Chicago Sun-Times

 

Well, yeah. They have to go all the way to Cook County. That's a 30-45 minute drive - even if you are going from the centre of Chicago - less from the South Side.

How many have been convicted? According to the article, not many.

 

I stand corrected. Chicago being in Cook County, I made the incorrect assumption that there were gun stores in Chicago as well as in the surrounding country.

Rather than a disconnect from reality, it was an oversight. I admittedly don't know that much about Chicago.

My point to Ace regarding his errant assertion that more regulation = higher incidence of gun death stands. It's a wholly ridiculous argument.

For all intents and purposes then, having gun regulations in a city the size of Chicago is of little use if it's as easy as taking a 30 minute drive out of the city to purchase one.

For me, it makes the point of regulation throughout the entire US more justifiable for this fact alone.

Considering the rise in gun violence in Chicago and the past history of poor to no enforcement of federal laws and failed prosecution regarding these bogus sales, hopefully Chicago, Illinois, and the Federal government will get their shit together and start enforcing laws that are out there. Beef up the ATF maybe? Or is that too simplistic or too controversial a solution?

The NRA needs to go away. Any organization in the business of obstructing the law needs to considered and treated as a threat to national security.

 

Sounds like the NRA was in on that one. It's called throwing the dog a bone.

Or maybe it does make sense. Not knowing which gun you're talking about, might it be a popular weapon that shows up often in crimes committed around the area?

I'm asking seriously, because you seem to know more about this than I do, Borla.

 

Maybe the article gives the wrong address (or Google maps highlights the shop concerned in the wrong place). It is showing it to the South, but I'm not from Chicago - as is obvious, I guess!

From memory, you are though.

However, it would seem they don't need to go far. Would that be correct?

Out of interest, what type of gun are they suggesting outlawing?

 

Borla, I have to agree. Workable solutions would be good but are difficult to achieve in the current climate/debate.

Looking at the weapon that may become illegal, I have to say that the reasons look to me to be cosmetic and do seem to miss the point.

Personally, I'd rather the focus was on legislating and policing responsible behaviour than focusing on the weapon types. That way, responsible owners are fine and irresponsible owners are disarmed (over time).

Illegal weapons should be being pursued anyway.

New weapon legislation is an easy thing to do and can give the impression of action, though. "We must do something. Here's something. Let's do that". Politicians like that sort of thing and, while it may not solve much, it will keep people quiet for a while - and I fear that is the way it will go.

Whatever, as Chicago has no borders and is a part of the USA, it can legislate as much as it likes, but may as well try and command the wind or the tide for all the good it will do.