War on Christmas

Actually, I don't need a formal fatwa. I'm going for it on my own.

Wish me luck with the bloodthirsty Christians.

 

My Fatwa's dont come with hummous or any sort of condiments. If you wanted authentic fatwas, without the glazing, im your man.

$25 USD for beheadings, whippings, beatings, slayings - we offer this service on authors, politicians, and historical figures.

i'll discount the rest of the softer fatwas to $20 USD.

Baby Jesus is safe with us, but Santa is a premium during this season. Price on Application for the big fat man.

 

i like christmas just as much as the next christian, but i have to admit that i kind of see where F* news is coming from. more and more i hear my atheist buddies shitting on christmas and ruining the fun and happiness by talking about how contradictory the christian religeon is, how pagan the christmas tree is, and how santa is really just a coke commercial.

i get that all of that is true, but really, why shit in my cornflakes? i understand all of those things, but to me, christmas is supposed to be about getting together with people i love and celebrating something that i believe. it's especially annoying when a 15 year old know-it-all who's addicted to r/Atheism tells me how much i shouldn't like my holiday

 

and i agree, but from a non atheist, non christian point of view.

I dont expect people to partake or celebrate Ramadan, but at the same time i wont partake or celebrate christmas. Being part of the cheer and enjoying the time off with family and friends makes this a great time of year regardless of belief.

 

and wouldn't that completely ruin the holiday cheer and specialness (yeah i said it) if people spent time and effort into explaining how you're dumb for having that holiday?

 

You need new friends, then. The problem isn't the fabricated war against Christians. It's with idiots who have chosen to take sides in response to it, failing to realize that it's propaganda designed to do just that. Or maybe they're just assholes. I'm an agnostic and get no joy in trying to ruin someone else's pleasure. At least not over something as inconsequential as a holiday which I myself enjoy and benefit from.

And no, Fox News does not have a point. Fox News has been at the forefront of creating a division where there was none and promoting it year after year until it has now taken hold in the minds and attitudes of its listeners.

Why? Because Fox News is a front for the right wing and the right wing benefits from division.

 

I don't argue with any of that, Baraka but I don't believe anyone on either side would be as up in arms about it had it not been for the right-wing and fundamentalist Christian influence on its media pawns to take to the level it is now.

A war? Really? People in the US (Christians, atheists, Jews, and Muslims alike) have had the option of saying Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays for as long as I've been alive. Christmas trees weren't questioned as to their traditional heritage and if they were, no one cared. No one ever took issue with any of it. No one batted an eye. Why now?

Why do I find myself suddenly feeling the need to defend my non-Christian enjoyment of the Christmas season from the Christian FB soldiers in the new "war against Christmas". FB soldiers who are my friends and colleagues in the untainted world. Friends and colleagues who never gave a shit two years ago but all of a sudden are highly insulted if I wish them a Happy Holiday?

I don't for a minute believe that they have been seething over this for years and like larva out of massive moth cocoon, all decided to crawl out and take up arms at the same time.

 

pardon the off-topicness but why do we assume that all right-wingers are christians?

 

That's what the "and" is for. Both groups benefit from division. In their own way. Different agendas that overlap.

 

Talk about hitting the nail on the head. And while I am very supportive of Christians being allowed to believe as they wish-- just like everyone else-- it irritates the living shit out of me when people call America "a Christian nation." My family settled in Chicago right before the Civil War. On that side, I am a fifth generation American. My grandfathers/greatuncles fought in both World Wars for this country. We pride ourselves in my family on voting in every election, on taking our jury duty, on civic participation. I think we're pretty damn American. Maybe our apple pie is kosher, but goddamn if we don't eat apple pie.

And as an American, I deserve not to have my government, which I support with my hard-earned tax dollars, let other people shove their religion down my throat. Or vice-versa.

I noticed that President Obama has been inaugurating the custom of a White House Passover Seder. I am currently willing to accept this idea because there is also a White House Christmas tree and Christmas party. But I would be far more comfortable if there were neither: or if there were both, but the president paid for them out of his own pocket, or through private contributions-- not using tax dollars, which should simply not go to anything religious. Not someone else's religion, and not my religion either.

This is not a Christian nation. Lots and lots of the people who make up this nation are not Christians. Lots and lots of the people who built this nation and made it into what it is-- and more importantly into what it could yet become-- were not Christians. Telling me it is a Christian nation is no different than pissing on my citizenship and suggesting I am not a real American. And unless you happen to be a Native American, you don't get to do that to me, or anyone else. If you're a Native American, then you have the right to do it to pretty much everyone, though...sorry about the whole conquest thing: we probably owe you guys some pie....

 

Fundamentalist Christianity in the US has become more radical. Their need to separate themselves from others has strengthened in response to it. For them, it's a war, full-stop and it doesn't begin or end at Christmas. It goes all year long. They are chiseling out the moral divide between themselves and the rest of us as we speak - gays, guns, prayer in schools, immigration. I'm not sure why they feel the need to "otherize" or demand everyone think, behave, worship and celebrate as they do. I don't have an adequate understanding of the way they think and am not sure I want such an understanding.

Personally, I'm okay with all the trimmings of the holiday season. I grew up with them and they are familiar to me. A nativity doesn't bother me in the least. My sister-in-law is Jewish. I've enjoyed celebrating her traditions as well. Bring on Kwanza and Ramadan and whatever else is in the pot. The more the merrier. I'm going to do some drinking, eating, laughing and I'm going to give and get some gifts regardless of what anyone else chooses to do.

People need to fucking chill out. If you can't accept that some people celebrate the holiday in their own way, with their own customs, their own greetings, their own food, their own gods or lack thereof, or don't celebrate at all, maybe you need to move baby Jesus' birthday somewhere else. Say June. No holidays there.

And I am in full support of keeping all religious symbols, gestures and utterances out of state, local and federal government. We're not a "Christian" nation until a Christian majority decides to overthrow the current secular government and replace it with a theocratic based one.

There is no War on Christmas except as it's being waged by a select few from their pulpits, podiums, and through their media pundits. I think the error is in giving it any legitimacy at all.

 

I hadn't heard about it, thank you for letting us all know (see, I'm a real American! I have no idea what happens in Canada!). It's about time.

 

i hope its kosher pie?

i can always slaughter a reindeer for some halal reindeer burgers.

on a serious note, i couldnt agree more with Levite. Except that Levite says things much more eloquently than i do.

 

what defines a fundamentalist Christian? i'm not trying to poke holes in your argument, i'm just ignorant on the definition. go figure... an ignorant american..

 

One who takes the word of the Bible literally....which is fine if that is a deeply held belief. Really no different than fundamentalist Islam.

What is not so fine is the attempt to impose it through the political process on the rest of the country.

 

i'll agree with this, but as far as fundamentalist christians becoming more radical? I haven't seen it at all, unless you lump in the WBC nutters in with the amish

 

The Amish do not attempt to impose their religious beliefs on anyone unlike the fundamentalist Christians. Neither do the WBC nutters.