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Holidays: To tree or not to tree?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by genuinemommy, Dec 8, 2012.

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Do you have a holiday tree?

  1. Yes

    12 vote(s)
    57.1%
  2. No

    9 vote(s)
    42.9%
  1. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    It's that holiday season! Maybe it's just because my friends are reaching an age where they're starting to settle down and start families, but it seems like everyone is going crazy with Christmas decorations this year. And the focal point of all their holiday-themed festivities seems to be one major item. A tree.

    Do you have a holiday tree in your home?
    When do you set it up?
    What are your favorite holiday traditions? Do they involve a tree?
    What do you think when you enter a home without a tree?


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    I know it's an old tradition - and special to many, many people. But I really honestly don't get it. Why do we chop down the most perfectly-formed young evergreen tree we can find to put it in our living room and try to keep clinging to life long enough to last through the end of the year? Why do we purchase artificial substitutes which we painstakingly display, then find a place to discretely store for the other 10 months out of the year?

    It all seems like an over-priced waste of money and resources. All in the name of tradition.

    Over the years family has given us a bunch of ornaments and assorted holiday knick-knacks that I've tried to set about in a reasonable fashion so our home is moderately festive. I trim the overgrown juniper bushes and thuja trees around our neighborhood and bring them into our house for the evergreen fragrance. I suppose I have a little "tree" made from these branches, but it's no more than a few branches stuffed into a vase, with a few silk poinsettia flowers stuffed in to add a bit of color. That's the extent of our "tree". My husband and I justify our lack of holiday cheer by reminding ourselves that we're not actually here for Christmas, and our parents do more than their fair share of holiday decorating. But next year we're not particularly planning on joining our extended family - and we'll be starting our own set of holiday traditions. I don't know what we'll decide to do, but at the moment I don't see ourselves springing big bucks for a tree. I'd much rather find a tree in our neighborhood somewhere and cover it with decorations.

    For me, evergreen trees don't scream Christmas. My favorite holiday traditions are consuming massive quantities of fresh citrus fruit, listening to palm trees swaying in the wind, and long walks on the beach. Maybe I should find a small indoor palm and decorate that with lights and ornaments next year - and put a huge bowl of tangerines, oranges, limes and grapefruit on the table.

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    Here are some links to neat space-saving Christmas tree alternatives.
    No Room for a Tree? 10 DIY Modern Holiday Alternatives | Apartment Therapy
    35 Awesome Traditional Christmas Tree Alternatives | DigsDigs
    I may do something like this with my excess ornaments.
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    Then again, I do have a tripod...
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  3. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    We don't have a tree. This is mainly because we don't trust our cats.

    We don't decorate at all, actually.

    We're pretty damn secular. I imagine that's what I'd think upon entering a home without a tree.

    That, or they don't trust their damn cats.
     
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  4. Fangirl

    Fangirl Very Tilted

    Location:
    Arizona
    I agree with you genuinegirly, much of the machinations we go through are traditions or, 'we're doing <insert activity> because we always did'--no real reason--just 'because'.
    I grew up in a household with a mom who was an orphan in her childhood and so later in life embraced all she had missed--and oh, so much more. She always used an artificial tree though, which would address your comment about the expense of repeatedly chopping down evergreens. We used the same damn ugly, fake tree for a decade or more.

    In my mind, Christmas is for children and now that mine are (technically) adults, for the first year ever we are not having a tree, we are dispensing with Christmas altogether and going to Disneyland (a trip three years in the planning). One week of Christmas decorations is all I care to see.

    For most of my youngest son's life he and his dad went and picked out a fresh tree and the little guy really dug it--so my response would be we did it mostly for him--right through last year when the 'little guy' was 6'4".

    (Tree) ornaments are another matter. For many years I took the kids shopping for a single ornament of their choice every season and again, it was something we enjoyed, something to do together as a family--a tradition, if you will. They got older and that stopped too. I am a bit sentimental about the kid-made ornaments though--I like opening them each year and getting nostalgic.

    I think I felt more pressure to follow tradition when I was obligated to try and be a 'good mom,' but the expense and the pressure were always something that came with the territory (especially during the 8 years I was a single parent) and I'm really glad to have dispensed with that this year. (I hosted Thanksgiving instead.)

    I never thought anything when I stepped into my tree-less Jewish friend's home--so I suppose I wouldn't think much in anyone's home, sans tree.
    Trees are so impractical and potentially dangerous. When we had cats they would climb in the tree and knock it over. I always worried about the lights setting something on fire if we didn't pick it all back up quickly enough.

    I like your idea of creatively decorating using tree substitutes. A little imagination can go a long way if you don't want to commit to the big production of a tree but you do want to add some festiveness to your surroundings.

    Finally, I'm with you on the attractiveness of a tropical Christmas. I've had many cold Christmases; if I never had another one that would be OK by me.
     
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  5. martian

    martian Server Monkey Staff Member

    Location:
    Mars
    I'm an atheist. The holiday season has no religious significance for me. And I'm not particularly sentimental. So were it up to me, there'd be no tree; I never bothered with one during my bachelor years, to my mother's consternation. However, Magpie seems somewhat attached to the idea, so she gets to have one since I'm more ambivalent than opposed.

    We have a little artificial tree with the lights all put on it for us. It's pretty minmal effort, but now that we're actually living in a human-sized home it seems a little... undersized. We may end up upgrading next year; it will depend on how Magpie feels about it, naturally.
     
  6. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    Did it every year. The whole shebang. Tree, lights outside, decorating inside. For the kids.

    It's just Alistair and I now. We probably would have passed on a tree this year but his daughter is coming in from Australia with her boyfriend for the holidays and we both agreed that a bit of a festiveness would be appropriate.

    We bought a small, inexpensive 3 foot potted tree today that we can replant. Decorated it with a few ornaments we had fun picking out together at the Christmas shop. An evergreen and holly wreath for the front door. We'll exchange a modest gift with each other and our kids. Christmas cards for friends and extended family.

    Here it is minus a garland of holly berries I will be stringing myself as soon as I go out and collect them.

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  7. CinnamonGirl

    CinnamonGirl The Cheat is GROUNDED!

    Besides the fact that keeping a real tree in your living room is a major pain in the ass (my dad & stepmom did that one year--we were still finding pine needles with our feet the next July), I also am not cool with the idea of chopping down a tree just to throw it away a few weeks later.

    So, yes, we have a tree, but it's artificial. When I had cats, they climbed it...and occasionally knocked it over. The dogs pretty much leave it alone, but I don't put presents underneath, since Leia likes to rip up paper. I'm agnostic, so there's no religious significance, I just think it looks pretty and festive. I don't put the tree up til the 15th or so, and it comes down shortly after New Year's Day--whenever I have time, really.

    When ZombieSquirrel and I lived together, we put up a Christmas tree and a menorah. That was pretty awesome.

    My mom and stepdad stopped putting up decorations for a while. Mom has a small tabletop tree that she'll put out if I come home for the holidays, but other than that, no tree. In the last couple years, though, they've gotten more into the tropical-themed Christmas stuff, and I kinda love it. They decorate fake palm trees, and I think there's a Santa wearing a Hawaiian shirt. Then again, they've slowly redecorated the house to be more beach/nautical themed, so the decorations blend in nicely.



    Edit: Oooh, I do like the potted tree that you can replant. That's pretty kickass.
     
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  8. Alistair Eurotrash

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    For me, the tree is a throwback to the seasonal festival that pre-dates Christmas and is all about recognising the passing of the seasons.

    I like that, so I like a tree - or at least some pagan furnishings (e.g. mistletoe). Lately, I get a tree in a pot, as we did this year (and as Jonie posted).
     
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  9. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    I live in the middle of Christmas tree country. Seriously--the hills around my city are either vineyards, forest, or Christmas tree farms. We buy a tree from the local Boy Scout troop; my husband was a part of the troop when he was younger, and so it's important to both of us to do something that supports the troop on a local level, as opposed to the national organization. We both come from families where the tree is an important part of decorating for Christmas, and despite both of us coming from relatively secular families, both of our families still go "all out" decorating for Christmas.

    Since we've been together, we've had a tree. The first few years we were living together, hubby got a free tree from the Scouts because he'd helped trim trees earlier in the year, or his dad helped trim trees and wasn't going to claim his free tree. These free trees were generally Doug firs--not my favorite Christmas tree. I have a lot of Hallmark ornaments (collected painstakingly over the years by my mother or by myself) and they are freaking heavy! I need a Noble or Fraser to display my ornaments properly, as they have both the space and the heft in the branches. We've got enough stuff for treetrimming that I don't buy new stuff anymore, other than the occasional collectible ornament (Gandalf the Grey this year!). We invested last year in enough LED lights to cover a 7 ft tree, and my husband puts them away every year in a manner that only an engineer could. I bought 1 string this year for decorating a window.

    My tree isn't just about me. Every ornament that is on our tree has a story behind it. Sitting from where I am in the living room, I can see the ornament from my first Christmas. I can see the ornament my mother-in-law got me for my second Christmas with the family. I can see the ornament my mother-in-law gifted us for our first Christmas together. I can see a number of ornaments my mother handed down to me, such as a rabbit in a rollerskate and a bear holding a jingle bell. Perhaps they are nonsensical to some, but they were on my childhood tree, and thus they connect my tree to a long line of trees. On the end of one limb is a special ornament my husband's grandmother crocheted; it nips on to the end of the limb. On another one is a crocheted heart my husband's other grandmother made. Along with many ornaments gifted by his aunt and uncle, a large mouth bass ornament from his grandfather is on our tree. Both sides are very represented.

    Plenty of people around here don't go to the effort of a tree because it's a college town. I typically assume they didn't have time to bother, aren't interested, or are going to be away for the holidays. Personally, I love the smell and appearance of my tree--that is why mine is always in the living room, where I can enjoy it, and in front of a window, so others can see the lights.

    As for the cat issue, I generally avoid putting anything breakable or precious on the first six inches or so of the bottom branches. We've had more problems with friends getting too festive and falling into the tree than we have had issues with our cats. They're usually curious for the first bit when the tree is still bare, but as soon as they've had time to sniff the whole thing, they're only interested in hiding underneath it.
     
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  10. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    Yes. I don't really associate a tree with Christmas so much as the general season.

    When it comes to Christmas, little nativity sets feel more festive. I do know a number of people who refuse to put up Christmas trees and celebrate the holiday with any mention of Santa because they feel it is pagan. It's definitely not my motivation for neglecting a tree - my motivation is based in frugality - but I can relate to their take on the holiday. If you're curious, the trend is addressed in this article: Should Christians celebrate Christmas? | CRI
     
  11. Alistair Eurotrash

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    Understand that - as a non-Christian it doesn't bother me. In fact, I like the pagan-ness (f such a word exists).

    I just enjoy the tradition and, as Snowy reminded me, the smell and the memories (often held in old decorations).

    Mind you, they could equally go on a large houseplant! I'd miss the smell, though.

    I see no real point in a plastic tree. It doesn't do anything for me.
     
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  12. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    Your post makes me a bit sad or maybe even guilty that the tradition is lost on me. When you describe it, it seems like such a special way to celebrate the season.
     
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  13. as a non-christian, ive never seen the need to have a tree. we celebrate ramadan and exchange gifts during our festivities, and Ive been content with not having to shove my own beliefs down peoples throats, and i appreciate not having christmas shoved down mine.

    seeing that many of the beliefs during christmas (including the tree) are actually pagan, it makes me question why its celebrated at all. I have no issue with christmas, in fact we attend chistmas dinner at some of our friends places every year. It is a wonderful time of year and wish people were more joyful during the other times.

    if i did celebrate christmasmas, i would probably have a small potplant about 3 to 5ft tall and wouldnt see the need to cut another tree down.
     
  14. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    I'm allergic to pine trees, so my family stopped getting real trees when I was a kid.

    I have a fake palm tree with lights on it. Although, the white led lights stay on it year round... Imagining I was here:
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  15. Ozmanitis

    Ozmanitis Trust in your will and Hope will burn bright!

    Location:
    Texas USA
    I am a christian, So I've always had a tree, But I do have quite a few non-christian friends that put up trees.
     
  16. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    I consider myself a Christian, yet I reject the tradition of a tree. I'm curious why you have chosen to keep a tree in your life. What significance does it have for you?
     
  17. PonyPotato

    PonyPotato Very Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    I don't put up a tree of my own in my school apartment. One year, I did - it was a teeny tree, but I was living alone and it was my way to make my apartment feel more like "home" even though I was going home for the holidays. When I lived in VA, my mother insisted on sending me a tree when I didn't want to buy one but couldn't come home for Christmas. My cats appreciated it, at least, and it did help me feel slightly less disconnected from the season.

    Since my father passed away, decorating for the season at my mom's house is always a point of contention. My mother and I tend not to want to put in the effort, as it brings up some really sad memories - my father was always the one who put up the tree and I would usually decorate it while he put tinsel, garland, and other Christmas ornaments up all over the house. Now that he is gone, the tree is a reminder of that and we all have a hard time jump starting that "spirit" to put it up (we always have a fake tree), let alone decorate the rest of the house. It just doesn't feel the same without him. I missed his last Christmas, too (I was living in VA), and sometimes I hate myself for not making the effort or investment to go home that year.

    Last year, though, was my nephew's first Christmas and my sister insisted that we decorate for that, so we did. I'm not sure what will happen this year, as I won't be able to go home until a few days before Christmas. I'm not sure if they'll have decorated by then, or if I will have to bring the spirit with me and get it done.
     
  18. Speed_Gibson

    Speed_Gibson Hacking the Gibson

    Location:
    Wolf 359
    My fake tree is the 5' type I think. It sat in the box all of last year and this year changed circumstances mean that the same box is taking up precious space rather than a corner of a storage shed. The pawn shop didn't want it so it will be heading to the local thrift shop as a donation very soon; vehicle troubles have thrown a crimp in certain plans.
     
  19. Ozmanitis

    Ozmanitis Trust in your will and Hope will burn bright!

    Location:
    Texas USA
    Tradition, fond memories, putting it up as a family activity, but to be quite honest. I like them.
     
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  20. Japchae

    Japchae Very Tilted

    No tree. I have three cats and I hate dealing with the needles. Fake trees feel pointless to me because part of the tree tradition is that amazing smell of the tree itself. But it feels wasteful to buy a real tree... The size we'd need for our ceiling costs well over $125. And it feels cruel to the tree. And, did I mention the three cats? The old man single-handedly took out my last tree seven years ago... Five times in two weeks.

    It's not the Christmas tradition to me... This will be the first time we've done Christmas with anyone is more than five years. And for four years before that, we did Christmas in January because of issues with coordinating travel within my family. Other than just going to a friend's house for dinner and whiskey last year. The tradition used to be the music, the food, the family, etc. If I don't have that, why a tree?
     
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