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Now there's an idea. Splitting votes. I'd go with 40% Obama, 60% Jill Stein.

 

Not complicated at all.

I do not need to agree with a person on everything for them to get my unyielding or 100% support. I will debate issues all day long, I will support my view, and attack a view I do not agree with - but at the end of the day, after an open and honest airing of issues, concerns, differences - if I respect the other person they will have my unyielding support. I would go to the mat for that person. I would follow that persons lead. I would risk my life for that person. That person will know I am in their corner. Examples - I do not agree with my wife on everything - she has my unyielding support because I know who she is, how she thinks and what I can expect, no surprises. I can not say that for everyone. On the political side, and I have written this many times, I would follow Dennis Kucinich any day of the week because I respect him and he acts in accord to his convictions. I do not feel that way about Romney, or President Obama.

Are you suggesting you approach this issue differently? If so, how?
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She is flawed, but she is a fighter. She is a winner. She has conviction. She has courage. She is self-made. She is humble. She is the type of person I would want to go to "war" with. She speaks directly. She is honest. Most of all I trust her.

The way Palin was attacked by the left and the media, made me support her to the max given the character she displayed.

About one of you tell me what you see in President Obama.

 

I might vote for her if she were to appear on Dancing with the Stars...but I think she is pushing for the next Celebrity Apprentice, where Donald has the only vote.

 

Sarah Palin humble? Only when the bear's got the gun pointed at her head.

Oh wait, you must be referring to the tender Mama Grizzly moments and false sincerity act you conservatives confuse with reality.

Or maybe you're talking about the dumbstruck expression on Sarah's face when she's been caught out not knowing what the fuck she's talking about. That's not exactly humility but I can see why you'd prefer to label it as such.

At least you didn't embarrass yourself completely by putting "intelligent" on the list. Then again, I get the idea that you don't place as much value on intelligence as you do on gosh darn gumption and common sense.

 

And it really did take courage and conviction to quit her job as governor in mid-term after realizing that she was now under a national spotlight.

I dont know of any other losing candidate for higher office to demonstrate such courage and conviction in serving one's constituency.
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Ace, I'll just make one comparison.


Having been the subject or target of the most vile, racist, ignorant and unrelenting personal attacks then I can ever recall a public figure having to endure (certainly far more than Palin), Obama maintained grace and dignity throughout and never lost his sense of humor....rather then whine and wrap himself in the role of victim.

 

Old history. We know I am a Palin fanatic, we knew that in 2007 - nothing has changed. I also know how most of you view her. She did not run for national office I understand her decision and I respect her decision. Bottom line as it relates to the present is I do not trust President Obama, if anyone does, they should cast their vote accordingly. I trust that Romney will do what is best for Romney - getting the economy turned around if elected is good for Romney and will be good for me, so he got my vote.

 

what's hilarious is that romney's proposals on the economy are, in fact, likely to turn the economy around--and head it directly into depression. that's because what he's actually proposing has a long history of being exactly the worst possible idea in a situation of economic crisis...and we're still in one, thanks in significant measure to the consequences of exactly the same economic ideology that romney is in a warmed-over version. anyone who knows anything about the history of capitalism in the last century knows that romney is a very bad idea even in economic policy matters, and that none of this personality bullshit that the aces of the world seem to latch onto in order to pretend that something else is the case is of any consequence.

 

No. I think Romey has made the money he wants to make and is no longer motivated by money. I think he is motivated by his legacy, I think the shift occured when he took on the Olympics. Given the current state of the economy and his rhetoric I think he believes his Presidential legacy will be measured by economic growth.

I think he made his position clear in the first debate. I think all people act in accord to their self-interests, who doesn't? I think it is important to understand another's interests when interacting with them - my view is related to the Dale Carnegie approach as outlined in Winning Friends and Influencing People.

Do you understand what motivates President Obama? Not what he says, but what really is behind his words?

 

Yeah, Romney is so honorable that it's all about his legacy.

Leo W. Gerard: Romney Willing to Win Without Honor

I expect most, if not all, politicians to stretch the truth, but the lies the R/R campaign has spewed is downright...dishonorable. Romney can bluff and bluster and keep trying to say he'll turn the blue states red, but I don't see him winning anything except possibly Florida and I'll bet they go Dem by a narrow margin. Hell, the fact that Romney has to come back to NC shows he's losing ground here and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if NC stays blue. This whole chant by the Romney campaign that they're expanding the map and they'll garner 300+ electoral votes -- yeah, I'm not seeing that math anywhere unless some new trend happens and happens fast. Ohio will go to Obama, Penn will go Obama, Minn will go Obama, Wisc will go Obama - Fl and Va -- who the fuck knows, but even if Romney carries those two, it's going to be a long and hard road to 270, much less 300.

Keep talkin' mittens... you're making it easy for people.

 

What motivates exceptional people? What motivates people who have more money than they will spend in their lifetime given the lifestyle they choose to live? Have you ever thought about these types of things? I always find it interesting to talk to people who I respect about the trajectory of their life and the points where they change. Everyone I have ever talked to or studied has changed. One book the comes to mind that you may find interesting is the Autobiography of Malcom X, the trajectory of his life changed several times. the things that motivated him as a young man were very different than at the time of his death.

 

According to his faith, becoming President of the United States will be the icing on the cake achievement necessary to attain Godhood and guarantee him his own planet upon his death. Now there's some motivation.

 

I think I am correct. I stated what I think underlies his motivation, you say I am wrong without presenting an alternative answer.

Perhaps you don't understand it.

Correct. In some cases people act in a manner that is not in their self-interest, but they think that they are or they may not know. It can be enlightened, unenlightened, rational or irrational. I would argue a vote for President Obama is an irrational response to doing what is in an American's best interest - some do so unknowingly. The interesting person is the person who knows the irrationality of a Presdient Obama vote, but does so any way. I think DC fits into this category - that is why I spend so much time trying to understand him.

I think Ryan is still in that young man doey eyed phase, ala - Mr Smith Goes to Washington if you ever saw that James Stewart movie. I like young people with that fresh youthful outlook.
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I have not considered that angle, interesting and may be more correct than my theory.

 

Yes, let's put the button under this young man's finger.

No doubt.

 

Until he discovered new ideals and a new inspiration earlier this year after being selected for VP