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Black woman in Louisiana set on fire, targeted with KKK slur by white-hooded men

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Baraka_Guru, Oct 23, 2012.

  1. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    What the fucking fuck?!

    Does this shit seriously still go on in the U.S.?

    Sharmeka Moffitt, Louisiana Woman, Set On Fire And Confronted With 'KKK' Slur In Race-Related Attack (VIDEO)

    I really don't want to say much about this at the moment because I'm am utterly disgusted. However, what I will say is that whoever said Obama's election ushered in a post-racial America is ignorant to say the least.

    What do you guys make of this?
    Is this an isolated freak incident?
    Are there racial tensions increasing of late?
    Is the presidential election a factor?
     
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    Baraka_Guru, Oct 23, 2012
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  2. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Wow. Self-inflicted?

    Worse than I thought.

    I give up trying to understand the world.
     
    Baraka_Guru, Oct 23, 2012
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  3. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    Ugh. I'm sick at the thought of this. No wonder why some of my African-American students are terrified of the forest.
     
    genuinemommy, Oct 24, 2012
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  4. KirStang

    KirStang Something Patriotic.

    Location:
    In the 17 Judicial Circuit
    Why would someone do this to themselves?

     
    KirStang, Oct 24, 2012
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  5. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    It is certainly harder to understand than the racism behind hate crimes.

    Nearly half of all hate crimes are race-based (as opposed to religion, sexual orientation...) and two thirds of those race based hate crimes are against blacks.
     
    redux, Oct 24, 2012
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  6. Lindy

    Lindy Moderator Staff Member

    Location:
    Nebraska
    Lindy, Oct 24, 2012
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  7. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    While it is a crime, it is not a hate crime which requires a bias of the offender against the victim.
     
    redux, Oct 24, 2012
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  8. Lindy

    Lindy Moderator Staff Member

    Location:
    Nebraska
    What the fucking fuck, indeed!

    And don't we just love to automatically assume the worst about the Americans? Let's put the most uncharitable construction upon anything that we hear of from America. Why, of course it still goes on. What would you expect from those throwback ignoramus troglodytes in the US of A?
    Apparently not. See the links in my other post. Will there be more copycat staged fake "hate crimes?" It wouldn't surprise me.
    I wonder if publicity whore Al Sharpton had already booked his flight to Louisiana?
    Well, look at all the talk about blacks throwing a tantrum rioting if Romney gets elected. Certainly some tension there.
    The bias is there. The pseudovictims in these cases, Ms Moffitt in Louisiana, and Ms. Rogers in Nebraska, committed a crime while targeting a specific group that they hate. They are fomenting hate against groups of people that they obviously hate. Certainly a hate crime in a logical sense, even if not one legally.

    Lindy
     
    Lindy, Oct 24, 2012
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  9. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    No.

    Why?

    I didn't know. Is it that obvious? I don't live in America. Should it be that obvious to outsiders?

    "Sarcasm I now see to be, in general, the language of the devil; for which reason I have long since as good as renounced it." —Thomas Carlyle, Sartor Resartus (1833-1834), book II, ch. IV

    How adequately does Twitter hold up a mirror to society?
     
    Baraka_Guru, Oct 24, 2012
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  10. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    I dont want to minimize this woman's actions, but there is no victim unless you really want to compare a criminal, and in most cases, bodily act against another individual based on race (or religion or sexual orientation) to her action of harming herself and falsely targeting a group with a history of racism.
    --- merged: Oct 25, 2012 3:22 AM ---
    I also dont think one should over-inflate two or three acts by black women to the five (or more) race-based criminal acts every day perpetrated against blacks.
     
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    redux, Oct 24, 2012
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  11. mixedmedia

    mixedmedia ...

    Location:
    Florida
    Uh, yeah, I sense a minimalization. And I see a lot of anger directed at a couple of people who obviously suffer from some sort of psychological misfortune as if it were proportionally in balance with the events that inspired hate crime legislation.
     
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    mixedmedia, Oct 25, 2012
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  12. Lindy

    Lindy Moderator Staff Member

    Location:
    Nebraska
    I don't feel a lot of anger toward the two women who concocted the fake "hate crimes." Although the story of the boy who cried wolf does come to mind.

    This kind of thing is far from an isolated incident.
    There have been enough fakes by this time that people should quit with the reflexively jumping up and howling in righteous indignation as soon as any story hits the internet.
    I feel more anger, mixed with sadness, that people are so willing, maybe even eager, to jump on the bandwagon, especially given the history of numerous faux hate crimes. Making what is already a crime into a special category of "hate crime" encourages this fraud, which is not as uncommon as you might think.

    Business | Man Changes Dragging Story -- Bad Drug Deal, Not Possible Hate Crime | Seattle Times Newspaper
    THE PERFECT VICTIM
    Woman charged in arson of own home posts bail
    Hate crime hoaxes present burdens, lessons for college campuses | Inside Higher Ed
    the Duke University lacrosse team
    Tawana Brawley
    and a brief casual search turned up at least a couple of dozen more...
     
    Lindy, Oct 25, 2012
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  13. mixedmedia

    mixedmedia ...

    Location:
    Florida
    a couple dozen more fake claims is compelling evidence of what exactly?
     
    mixedmedia, Oct 25, 2012
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  14. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    That hate crimes are poppycock? Is that where this is going?
     
    Baraka_Guru, Oct 25, 2012
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  15. mixedmedia

    mixedmedia ...

    Location:
    Florida
    I suppose hate crime legislation is unjust because white people can't be protected from being unjustly accused of them.
     
    mixedmedia, Oct 25, 2012
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  16. KirStang

    KirStang Something Patriotic.

    Location:
    In the 17 Judicial Circuit
    The broader lesson is probably to never jump to conclusions. You never know what people are capable of.
     
    KirStang, Oct 25, 2012
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  17. mixedmedia

    mixedmedia ...

    Location:
    Florida
    True, but I think I will continue to jump to the conclusion that a person who appears to have been set on fire was actually set on fire by someone else. It's still a pretty safe bet, all things considered.
     
    mixedmedia, Oct 25, 2012
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  18. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    If I never jumped to conclusions, I would never get anywhere.

    I'm one for learning lessons, but people take different things from different situations.
     
    Baraka_Guru, Oct 25, 2012
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  19. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    A couple dozen over the last 35 years(Tawana Brawley in '87 since you included her) of people maiming themselves or falsely claiming race-based attacks as opposed to more than 5,000/year of persons subjected to violence for no other reason than race or religion.

    No comparison nor do I think it is initially reacting reflexively given the overwhelming odds.
     
    redux, Oct 25, 2012
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  20. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

    Location:
    Struthers,Ohio
    They hate whom they fear.

    -Quintus Ennius
     
    Knight Templar, Oct 26, 2012
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