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Politics Romney - Is he ready?

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, May 15, 2012.

  1. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    well you weren't clear on the specifics so i was assuming.

    his right wing beliefs trump his constitutionalist/libertarian viewpoint on more than a few matters that he tip toes around. also he has attempted to move more towards the GOP especially during the debates and campaign to win votes from those crazy republicans.
     
  2. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

    meanwhile, it appears that the money thing is becoming a problem for old mitt.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/21/us/politics/cash-low-romney-striving-to-find-new-large-donors.html?ref=global-home&moc.semityn.www

    i suppose i shouldn't be surprised by the degree to which the elections really are reported on as a sporting event even at this level. the twisted thing is that citizens united now provides just bigger numbers, like changing the rules so more goals can be scored and not bum out the add set. good ole dominant media in the u.s. of a.---there's never been a status quo that it will not drop to its knees in front of.
     
  3. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    It is not "tip toeing," but actively and forcefully inserting the govt into the bedroom to squash any rights to privacy to believe that states can legislative against consensual sex between two adult men or can prohibit the use of contraception....positions held long before he began running for president.

    I do agree that his recent "We the People Act" that would prohibit the federal judiciary from having any jurisdiction over laws involving religion, reproduction and sexual practices/orientation (and that federal judges should be impeached if they do so) plays well with the social conservative base during the recent campaign.

    sorry about the threadjack...Paulbots make me crazy.
     
  4. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    It's really nice to know that the candidates have spent $1.2 billion so far in convincing the public on the best choice for turning the country around from reckless spending.

    It really shows that you can't go wrong, because both choices really care.

    /scandalized Canadian
     
  5. Remixer

    Remixer Middle Eastern Doofus

    Location:
    Frankfurt, Germany
    Is Mitt Romney ready?

    In all honesty, that question can only be a joke by now.

    After all the crap Mitt Romney put his foot in, this is by far the most hilarious and retarded thing he has done:

    Mitt Romney Accused Of 'Dyeing His Face Brown' For Univision Interview (PHOTOS, VIDEO)

    I'm nowhere near a conspiracy nut and have stayed far away from 9/11 speculations. But this? It can only be a conspiracy to completely discredit both Romney and the Republican party. It must be.

    I couldn't believe it when my SO told me about this.
     
  6. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico
  7. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    And from a health care perspective...
     
  8. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    I am not against donor offspring, I amfor both fathers and mothers giving a shit about their children.

    I think there are some issues with donor offspring that can be managed, but if not managed can be problematic. For example the potential for a "genetic market" makes me uncomfortable. I am not saying when a man and a woman "select" each other that they are not making the "selection" based on genetic potential - but the possibility that some will shop and experiment for eggs/sperm based on an some superficial perceptions of superiority seems wrong
    --- merged: Sep 25, 2012 at 9:23 AM ---
    Marriage is religious. Religion is personal. No role for government.
    Civil Unions should be governed by contract law. All consenting adults can enter into contracts.
    The law should not play favoritism in regard to marital status or civil union status. All people should be treated the same. No tax breaks for "married" couples, etc.
    --- merged: Sep 25, 2012 at 9:26 AM ---
    I don't care who f's whom if they are consenting adults. The only d!ck I care about is mine.
    --- merged: Sep 25, 2012 at 9:29 AM ---
    Call me the "Great and all Powerful" from now on. Funny how I can force people to read what I write and then force them to respond to it. You know if I actually had this kinda power...why would I waste my time using it here? Flaw in your logic?
     
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  9. Alistair Eurotrash

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    Thank you. I don't disagree with any of that. Regarding tax breaks - IF there should be any based on coupling, it should be to those in a civil union (rather than a "marriage").

    Regarding the favouritism thing, it's interesting to me that the USA will not permit same-sex partners from other countries to enter the USA on a visa in the way they will permit a husband or wife. That seems wrong to me, too.
     
  10. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    Again, I am libertarian on theses issues. Husband/wife, same-sex partners, dude and his prostitute, granny and her cabana boy, Hugh Hefner and his playmates, treat them all the same. Look at each request and make a decision in its entirety, including partners .
     
  11. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

    meanwhile in that separate world that is conservativeland, ralph reed's "faith and freedom coalition" sends out a mailer that compares the obama administration to hitler and points out "communist beliefs" at the same time.

    Ralph Reed's Group Compares Obama Policies to Nazi Germany | Mother Jones

    clearly, ralph is not working a legion of rocket scientists.
    but this is a sizable voter bloc.

    a little window onto the hallucinated world of the evangelical right.
     
  12. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Reactionaries like this would be so cute if they weren't so dangerous. If history is any indication....
     
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  13. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

    between this unhinged reactionary ideology and the attempts to suppress votes, you'd almost think the right was considering something not far from a coup d'etat. of course, that's a little paranoid, right? i mean, it's not like there are examples of far right political organizations exploiting economic and political paralysis to engineer an ascent to power of dubious legality. and hey, it'd be great in the united of states now, wouldn't it? what with the surveillance state that's been fashioned through the reactionary "war on terror" and all the problems that we've already seen with the dominant order keeping its notion of "enemy" straight in response to the occupation movement (think oakland for example...)
     
  14. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    The focus on Obama "the socialist," Obama "the communist," Obama "the Marxist," Obama "the Nazi," Obama "the Kenyan," Obama "the Muslim" is a distraction from the real dangers that are perpetrated by the right, whether it be the growing plutocracy, the erosion of civil rights, or the maintenance of American militarism.

    The focus on Obama as the great risk to the republic is tantamount to wagging the dog.

    I fear that Obama's reelection will lead to further extremism, but such an election outcome appears to be for the best regardless of the net effect.
     
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  15. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    The Republican right has a history of gaining and holding on to power using little more than the flimsy tactic of turning mere political opponents into enemies of the state and destroyers of religious morality.

    In a country where a good percentage of the electorate embrace the extreme with open arms, it's not difficult to see why this practice is a staple of the right wing .

    It's not so much a tactic to distract from the real issues I don't think, as the real issues pertaining to what is best for the US and its citizens are of no concern to the extreme right wing. Demonizing opponents is simply the tried and true method of holding on to power at any cost. which is and always has been the only goal of the Republican right wing.
     
  16. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    Do you ever consider the evangelical left? They exist. There are also people who hold other religious beliefs that those in the middle consider extreme. The power to swing elections is not at either extreme. The power you ascribe to these people is a part of your mythology, similar to the way you ascribe power to me. Why do you do this, I don't get it? From my point of view, you have no power over me or what I do, what I think. No one else does either. Or, is it your position that others are easily influenced/controlled/manipulated on the assumption that no reasonable person can disagree with your point of view.
    --- merged: Sep 25, 2012 at 12:42 PM ---
    I am not interested in a debate on any of the above issues, but I will add that some who hold the above views have a basis for it. For example, some have a problem when a leader orders that specific people be killed, and as I recall I think President Obama authorized an attack on a US citizen knowing that it might result in his death. Even liberals may have a term for that type of leadership - do you?
     
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  17. Alistair Eurotrash

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    I think you'll find he authorises (rather than "orders"), but I don't like it. I don't like the increased use of drones either.

    On the former subject, I do think there is a link between the right wing and a very large number of "christians". I do view many American Christians as fundamentalists (but not really "christian"). I find this alliance a bit scary, if I'm honest. The way they think is odd, in my view.
     
  18. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    In 2004, Bush garnered 64% of the Evangelical vote (Evangelicals make up a quarter of American voters). In the '80s, Republicans have garnered as much as 80%. If you look at the numbers, it appears far more feasible to swing Evangelicals to the right than the centre. In close elections, this can make or break a president. Ask John Kerry.

    They have a basis for it? Seriously? Are you saying that any of it is legitimate?
     
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  19. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK

    In the first place, none of the above views of Obama (by those who hold them) have anything to do with his use of drones in the Middle East. Mere justification for views already held. These views exist at all because they are convenient power tools for those who have fabricated and propagated them, They have no bearing on facts and no basis in reality but they are picked up like dropped 20 dollar bills at the bar at closing time and crowned the God's honest truth by staunch supporters.

    Secondly, drone attacks would be receiving a hearty hurrah from said group if a white Republican was currently in office instead of Black Democrat. And no, I don't condone it by either party but the hypocrisy of the Right is evident when it comes to the use of force.
     
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  20. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

    ace--that is among the stupidest posts i have ever seen.

    as for the drone policy----i entirely oppose it. this is a logical extension of the idiot "war on terror" to the extent that it makes the united states into what the united states claims to oppose. this report is really quite damning:

    Living Under Drones

    i'd be interested to see if it gets much play in the mainstream us press...
     
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