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Politics Romney - Is he ready?

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, May 15, 2012.

  1. dippin Getting Tilted


    Who said that there is no "outrage" from the left? I mean, just because you aren't aware of it doesn't mean that that is how the real world is operating. People on the left are and were extremely dissatisfied with Obama in regards to both the healthcare reform and foreign policy. In fact, at the start of this campaign there was a substantial enthusiasm gap in favor of the GOP because people on the democratic base were not happy with how much of a center right president Obama turned out to be. And that only started to change when Republicans started talking about their own policies.
     
  2. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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    Suggesting that Obama's middle east policy is a reflection of the PNAC and the Bush doctrine of the legitimacy of preventive war when there is no threat to the US is a bit of a stretch even for an avowed Paulist.
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    Romney fucked up royally on this one.

    US diplomatic personnel and stations are attacked and your first response is to blame the president? This goes way beyond pandering to the right wing on every domestic issue to the lowest depths of ignorant campaign rhetoric.
     
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  3. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

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    yeah nevermind nothing was done about the warnings 48 hours prior to the attack and the marines there weren't allowed to have ammo on the anniversary of 9/11 nonetheless. yeah let's not pass judgement on the poor president. i'd say that's a far worse fuck up than romney's.
     
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  4. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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    Right......bombastic rhetoric like Romney's demonstrates clear and measure thinking in the midst of a foreign policy crisis.
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    But its no surprise that you bought the gun nut bullshit about the marines not being allowed to carry live ammo which has been refuted by the marine's congressional liaison in a letter to Congress.
     
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  5. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

  6. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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    What is lost in the right wings baseless rhetoric is the fact that Chris Stevens was the kind of diplomat that should make us proud..as opposed to the John Boltons advising Romney.

    Chris Stevens Was a Hero to Libya
     
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  7. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    How do you explain all those GOP leaders distancing themselves from Romney in their reluctance to criticize Obama on this?

    I guess it's just the Romney camp, Sarah Palin, and all those right-wing talk radio hosts?
     
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  8. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

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    well in the fog of this thing and all the spin it's hard to tell what exactly is happening. wouldn't there be a pile of dead terrorist who breachd the walls if they were armed or did i miss somethig?
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    i guess i haven't noticed anyone distancing themselves from him. if anything he should double down and suggest this whole thing is a result of obama's unconstitutional war against libya and egypt, and had nothing to do with some dumb movie. however, romeny doesn't care about that because he's a war hawk too.
     
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  9. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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    ...a political leader should gather all the facts before making partisan campaign statements that could inflame the situation.
     
  10. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Libya was an intervention; the war was already going on. America only had a minor role.

    When did Obama start a war with Egypt?

    Are you trying to say this is all the result of the GWOT?
     
  11. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

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    basically yes. we are at war with 'terrorists' and they dont know what country is going to get bombed, invaded, or overthrown next. i'd be pissed too if i lived in the middle east i suppose.
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    Jay Carney just released this gem:
    sure it has nothing to do with policy or the administration or people. it's oppostie day.
     
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  12. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    So why get hung up on Libya? Just because of this attack? Libya isn't as bad as what's going on elsewhere as far as American foreign relations are concerned. roachboy mentioned the drone problem going on in other nations. If you want to know what's getting people in the Middle East riled up right now, it's that. The "drone war" escalated under Obama.

    But I suppose it's difficult to raise the profile on something when American lives aren't at risk.

    I hear Romney likes drones too.

    Well, I think many would disagree with that on both sides of the spectrum. It was likely a response to all of that stuff.
     
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  13. redux

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    and Michelle Bachmann:

    Obama appeasement and Libya attack was effort to impose Sharia law on US
     
  14. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

    first off, i will say that i am not a fan of the obama administration's foriegn policy. like alot of people, i had hoped for a wholesale repudiation of the lunacy of the bush people's "war on terror"---but obama campaigned on the idea that it was, somehow, legitimate--so it's not exactly a shock that he found it to be legitimate.

    there's plenty of reasons for people to be pissed off at the united states. start with continued american support for israeli colonialism in the west bank and the ongoing seige of gaza. start with that. this is a fundamental reason the us has such trouble as it has in the region. the problem, of course, is that the entire mainstream us political spectrum cannot be far enough to the right on this. so shit will keep happening. it's likely to continue happening until there is a two-state solution, as they blandly refer to a situation that would enable palestinians to be treated as human beings and some kind of peaceful co-existence established. it'd be a good idea for everyone, israel included.

    in egypt, like i said earlier, the us obviously put its marbles with scaf to keep the egyptian revolt within certain limits advantageous to continuity for the american viewpoint. and there's no doubt--at all---that behind this bet lay the idiocy of us policy toward israel. i'm not going through the situation i already outlined again.

    in libya...well, nothing the right has said even makes sense.


    Embassies under attack over anti-Islam video - Middle East - Al Jazeera English


    it's not been an awesome day for one-dimensional interpretations of what's going on in the region.
     
  15. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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  16. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

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    looks like what rush limbaugh calls a 'random act of journalism'. i wonder if it was just a fluke or if conservatives are actually going to honor their vow to keep the gop conservative this time instead of drifting to the left.
     
  17. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Drifting to the left? I don't think they have anything to worry about. They have a lot of room to move considering how far right they've shifted recently. They could shift quite a bit left and still be more conservative than Reagan.

    If anything, I think that guy on Fox was simply wondering about the details since Romney's talking a big game about tax reform but can't explain how it's going to work. If he eliminates too many loopholes, deductions, and credits, he may have to raise taxes to pay for his plan. He won't (or can't) explain how his tax cuts for the rich will be revenue neutral.
     
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  18. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

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    You forget that in the weird place that is the USA, they no longer recognize what centre means. They shifted the goal posts so far right that Reagan is practically socialist these days.
     
  19. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Reagan...isn't he that old guy from Russia? :rolleyes:
     
  20. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    The thing to realize is that Democrats are no more liberal than their history would indicate, which makes the right's charges of socialism absurd. Yet, Republicans today are uncharacteristically conservative.

    So the goal posts have indeed been shifted. The right's charges of socialism are based on mere illusion. In other words, the average Republican today is either delusional with no sense of history or is a shameless propagandist.

    The biggest political threat in America right now isn't socialism; it's the erosion of the political centre and its moderates.

    The left in America is anemic.
     
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